WAR. What's it even good for?

Absolutely- I'll wait until playing before finishing that punchline.

I am curious to hear the thoughts of WAR mains now that the official job guides have been published, however.

At least WAR is better than DRK apparently...
What the heck is SE thinking, not adding a new tank, and then making 1/3 of the current tanks bad, and another 1/3 even worse?

I'll still give WAR a shot, it still looks okay enough to play. I am prepared to welcome our PLD overlord and usher in the era of double PLD meta though.

If enough tanks disappear, the general populace will scream at SE that there aren't enough tanks. SE will realize that somethings wrong and look at the data showing a drastic decrease in the war and drk population, thus bringing out the buff bazooka. Until then i'm going to play red mage :)

I'm looking forward to being a Samurai until Squenix gets their heads out of their asses.

this is shit situation for WAR, but nowhere near as shitty as they were in early 2.0
but yeah this will still mark the first time i stop playing this job and roll to another, probably PLD or DRG

If I wasn't behind enough on MSQ (Haven't finished HW yet), and was patient enough to wait the insane time the queues are gonna take for DPS, I'd be switching to RDM/SAM.
And unfortunately I don't even have PLD leveled (Only lvl 22) to switch to the only good tank.

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Originally Posted by Conna

If enough tanks disappear, the general populace will scream at SE that there aren't enough tanks. SE will realize that somethings wrong and look at the data showing a drastic decrease in the war and drk population, thus bringing out the buff bazooka. Until then i'm going to play red mage :)

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the fact that they don't know it will go wrong just by looking at the skill description shows how clueless they're about this

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Originally Posted by Conna

If enough tanks disappear, the general populace will scream at SE that there aren't enough tanks. SE will realize that somethings wrong and look at the data showing a drastic decrease in the war and drk population, thus bringing out the buff bazooka. Until then i'm going to play red mage :)

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SE will probably exclude the tank role from the limit break penalty so that players can run as Dual PLD without worry.

Please look forward to it.

It doesn't look good, I'm afraid, but it's what I expected. My hopes were set pretty low after I first saw the stance change penalty; I get the distinct impression that SE doesn't understand what makes WAR interesting.

I'll still give it a go, but I imagine I will be switching to PLD if I'm intent on raiding as a tank; we will see.

FATE leveling will be a thing again because DPS queues will be bad all around with 2 new DPS classes and no new tanks or healers. Also now we have PotD for leveling. I'm not the least bit concerned about the queues at this point.

The wait for your queue just to progress story quests will be excruciating though. At least you can FATE spam while you wait.

At least we're not completely trashed like DRK, dear god those nerf and changed.

Honestly I'm seeing more doom crying than I am nerfs. Only thing I see that's nerfed on drk is AoE potencies...like everyone's gotten...and self healing reduced. Other than that Increased enmity generation, some single target potency buffs and pretty good mitigation/resource generating skill in The Blackest Night. Can't speak for WAR since I don't play it but even then I doubt the job is gimped/DoA

If you can't tell exactly whats wrong with the classes just from comparing the three... I have no words.

DRK lost:

• Scourge dot (500 pot)
• Reprisal damage
• Lowblow damage
• Darkpassenger nerf from 150 potency to 100 potency while DOUBLING its MP cost, effectively removing it from DRK SINGLETARGET rotation, lowering DRKs Singletarget damage even further
• lowered MP regeneration due to loss of using Bloodprice and Bloodweapon at the same time
• Several selfhealing nerfs
• Several AOE nerfs
• Tank utility lost in Delirium Debuff and Reprisal Debuff
• Loss of foresight (13% effective physical migitation) that used to patch up DRK's weakness in physical damage

DRK gained:

• Bloodspiller replacing our scourge (380 Potency skill gated behind resources replacing our *free* 500 potency dot )
• 20 extra potency on DA SoulEater
• 5% extra damage on Darkside
• 100~ extra MP per tick due to Darkside no longer draining mana
• Extra MP from Delirium on a long 120 second cooldown
• Extra MP in Grit Syphonstrike(meaningless as Grit reduces your MP regen capabilities anyway)
• TBN shield

This is mostly focused on damage utility and I'm not even starting in detail on general tank utility that was lost, especially in comparison to what PLD gained
The gains barely make even for all the stuff DRK lost and I wouldnt be surprised if a 3.x DRK at level 70 would be better at damage than 4.x DRK at level 70 will be.
More options to DarkArts (looking at you syphonstrike) ultimately mean nothing if DRK doesnt have the MP to back it up since the class and the DarkArts per Minute are ultimately bottlenecked by it.