Bad communication

Is it just me or did the whole communication about Stormblood was a big mess? All the 3 keynotes were mostly rince and repeat, ok we know the name of the primals added every patch and new jobs.
But at the end who did the most of the work? Journalists, those who went to the event media, not SE. They made us learn more about the expansion than what SE has done ever since its annuncement. And now we're waiting after a patch note they seem to not wanna release before the opening of the servers, when nobody will be reading it. Can't even count on the live reading since it's at 5AM. What happened to the preliminary patch note we get every time some days before a patch?

Preliminary patch notes are up now , they are always only put up after the servers go down

Another angry miqo'te...

How many of you are there?

Journalists reporting what they saw for the public is the very nature of their job and the patch notes are out.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

What happened to the preliminary patch note we get every time some days before a patch?

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Here the link for the preliminary patch notes if you haven't found it already.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...3acab6f10e26ac

They owe you NOTHING. This is how it should be done. Just because other games spoil their ENTIRE expansion months before release does not mean that is how it should be done. Too much information always leads to people losing thier collective minds over something they haven't played. See every whm thread.

Their communication is fine, your perceived entitlement is horrible.

I like it this way... I like the super secret stuff, I find it more nice that way... I don't even read up on news untill there is an actual patch or whichever with an update and I usually first notice when I can't log in as it is downloading stuff or servers is down for maintaince.

It is better that way

They released the preliminary notes for Heavensward just 3 days before the start of that early access, a mere two days difference to when we have the prelim notes for this expansion. You're seriously getting worked up over two days difference?

Also, the communication with journalists is a two-way street - they get the information from the live letters and other such events (which despite your description revealed new information each time), which influences the questions they ask, and then SE has to be willing to answer those questions...which they have for the most part, though with their hallmark caution of (compared to the reveal nearly everything approach of some or the reveal next to nothing of others).

Seems like you're really reaching to be upset over something.

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Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

Journalists reporting what they saw for the public is the very nature of their job

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But they aren't working for SE while still doing their job.

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Originally Posted by Edewen

They owe you NOTHING. This is how it should be done. Just because other games spoil their ENTIRE expansion months before release does not mean that is how it should be done. Too much information always leads to people losing thier collective minds over something they haven't played. See every whm thread.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

I like it this way... I like the super secret stuff, I find it more nice that way... I don't even read up on news untill there is an actual patch or whichever with an update and I usually first notice when I can't log in as it is downloading stuff or servers is down for maintaince.

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Personnally I hate when nothing is said. I can't know if I might enjoy a game if I can't really see what it is about. Annuncing an expansion without showing much is like taking profit of your liking for the game to make you buy something you are not sure to enjoy. That's why I barely buy any game without having played a demo first.

If you think Square's communication is bad, you have not been following how silent Blizzard is to their player base. Coming from WoW, I'm overwhelmed with how chatty and nice and social the devs (and players, for that matter) in this game are. Be thankful that it's as good as it is!

You should have seen what it was like for FFXI. Uphill, both ways, snow, etc.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

You should have seen what it was like for FFXI. Uphill, both ways, snow, etc.

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Oh yea XI update process was horrible, it could turn into a whole day process just trying to update.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Personnally I hate when nothing is said. I can't know if I might enjoy a game if I can't really see what it is about. Annuncing an expansion without showing much is like taking profit of your liking for the game to make you buy something you are not sure to enjoy. That's why I barely buy any game without having played a demo first.

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Then wait two days after release, read the tests and patch notes and decided after that wether you want to buy the game or not. Easy as that. If you're only after information on wether or not you want to buy the game, that should work out fine.

Personally I dont care about all this preview-stuff when it comes to this game - I enjoy playing FFXIV for almost 4 years now, I know SB isnt going to change that, so why should I be worried about buying it? Even with the changes coming, it will be "more of the same" in the greater context. I dont need or even want to see every dungeon beforehand.

I get that people want to be excited and want to be given reasons to be excited and from what I can tell: we got plenty of information during the last few months. People really need to calm down about this and how they didnt got to know everything before the expansion goes live.
"Nothing has been said" is so, so wrong...

This is really becoming the microwave generation. People want everything right now. SE's job is to promote and hype up the game, not give you every little deal about it. Reporters provide you with some inside scoops and their personal review. If you can't decide to get the game from the information you received then you wait until after the release to make your decision. This is the whole purpose of an early release. The people who know what they want get to experience the game early and then hype it up more for others to buy it after the actual release.

What more do you people want? They have given us everything except the final actions specification (because one those could change and two they don't really matter to the public aka people who don't already own the game). The only thing we are missing is for them to show us the complete story line.

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Originally Posted by Edewen

They owe you NOTHING. This is how it should be done. Just because other games spoil their ENTIRE expansion months before release does not mean that is how it should be done. Too much information always leads to people losing thier collective minds over something they haven't played. See every whm thread.

Their communication is fine, your perceived entitlement is horrible.

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After the WHM bs that happened I doubt SE will be providing as much detail come the next expansion. People clearly demonstrated they don't understand what "subject to change" means.

The only thing im disappointed about when it comes to communcation is the lack of information about DoL/DoH since they are undergoing some changes according to the preliminary notes.

But again, I wouldn't make a Q_Q thread on a forum about it.

like... the patch notes are out.

Have you tried like.. not being upset all the time?

i think people miss the point of a preliminary patch up... they are patch notes announcing change without revealing stuff that will break the economy of the game.
now i will ask this, what the point of a prelim patch note while the downtime that add the patch? don't normally while this time you normally get the patch notes, since when the server will be up....you will spend it to play, not read a patch notes.

for me more than crying about the fact that we didn't get the prelim patch note earlier.... it's more why do we get one now? i means normally it's the day we must get the patch note, we do have 24 hours of downtime... it's the best moment for people to soak up most of the info from it. why hide the data about the sam/rdm skill? or the few stuff they have hidden that have no point to hide them, since we will get them tomorrow.

i will be like most people... play the game and will not read the whole patch note, because....well i pay for play the game more than read patch notes.

then on this point the op is right, the communication about stormblood patch notes (at least) is bad.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Personally I dont care about all this preview-stuff when it comes to this game

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I don't care for it much either. To me it kind of ruins the surprise of seeing the new content for the first time so I avoid it as much as I can. I like the franchise which hasn't disappointed me to date so I see no reason it should in the future as long as the same folks keep running things.

I don't see any problem with the communication.
If journalist can do the job this is with what SE give as information. So ... how they do better than what SE already give?
Btw, the prelim patch can happen now, 1week before, 1month, that's doesn't do any difference to me. You still have all info before release. (don't forget the real release is the 20 not 16)
If you liked FF before you'll probably like it after. The game is mostly the same, with new zone etc, but mechanics are the same, tome system blabla, I'm a bit confuse about that point of view.

You can Fanboy SE there as much as you like but he has a point, the communication this time was just not good, its not about game elements alone even on informations about the head start etc, i mean i wouldt have killed them to atleast say how much to download, when can we start to download etc etc.
But yeah its pointless to open threads in this forum, in the end its always the same everything is fine and you are bad for asking/speaking about it.

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Originally Posted by Etisha

If you think Square's communication is bad, you have not been following how silent Blizzard is to their player base. Coming from WoW, I'm overwhelmed with how chatty and nice and social the devs (and players, for that matter) in this game are. Be thankful that it's as good as it is!

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Holy crap, THIS.

Also, I'm far less concerned about communication and more concerned about how often the developers actually listen to us, and for the most part, the XIV team has been doing exactly what the players have asked for at nearly every turn.

This community sometimes (many) likes to embody this expression ... "give them a finger they want/DEMAND the whole hand" ...

Let the game come out, they explained/shown enough ... if it sucks we will see.. but the amount of drama recently i have read all around...

/disappointedface

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

The only thing im disappointed about when it comes to communcation is the lack of information about DoL/DoH since they are undergoing some changes according to the preliminary notes.

But again, I wouldn't make a Q_Q thread on a forum about it.

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Have I missed something? Except some QoL things (like no GP cap on non-DoL) they still work like before 4.0
The only big change is the return of the spears for fishers.
And SE spoiled that infos some weeks ago already with the picture of the Fisher AF.

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Originally Posted by Etisha

If you think Square's communication is bad, you have not been following how silent Blizzard is to their player base. Coming from WoW, I'm overwhelmed with how chatty and nice and social the devs (and players, for that matter) in this game are. Be thankful that it's as good as it is!

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I just had to triple this. You really don't know how good you have it. Coming from a game like WoW, this game's developers have great communication. It's one of it's shining qualities to me. I don't see any issue personally with them releasing notes the day before.