Well this is a first

I actually got talked down to for DPSing.

I was running leveling roulette and was doing the usual when the tank pulled more than we could handle. I did my best to keep everyone alive but alas we wiped. Then out of nowhere the bard has the balls to act like it was my fault. he literally said "little less barking orders and dps followed up by a bit more healing would be nice" my saying to group the adds and range lb them was apparently a hostile command.

I've learned to stance dance pretty well as a sch and this is literally the first time I've ever been told 'not' to dps :T

It happens.

It has happened to me, it has happened to everyone I know.

Some people see you as the "healer" and for some reason think that you dpsing at all is an insult to the role of a DPS and an insult to the Tank since you aren;t keeping them at 100% 24/7.

Don;t stop DPsing though.

Occasionally you run into players who die unavoidably due to their own mistakes and immediately shift blame to others.

If they died due to a lack of healing while you were in DPS mode, they could have a point.

If they died because they failed mechanics and could not have been reasonably saved regardless of you being in CS or not, then they are just looking for an excuse.

Dude it's so annoying when that happens.

I had a run in Dun Scaith the other day, running as SCH, in which the other healer was SCH too. The dude was playing as if I was a solo-healing WHM, and didn't even have Eos out (this is actually better in the first two bosses but vs Scathach and Diabolos Eos is much better than Selene imo). The point is... the other SCH was doing nothing except DPSing, and our tank kept MTing every boss. That wasn't really a problem until we reached Scathach. Of course, being Dun Scaith, everyone was taking avoidable damage and it came to a point in which I had to stop DPSing completely because everyone was either dead or taking damage by the thousands, the tank was eating shit, and the other healer was dead too.

I raised the other SCH to help me with raises (this was after everyone died AFTER I had already used the healer LB :'), and he kept DPSing to his heart content, so wtv, I kept solo healing.

At the start of the Diabolos fight, our tank has the audacity to ask other tanks to MT because "he was MT and both healers were DPSing."

Like, excuse me? Even if the other healer had been helping out, heck yeah I'm gonna DPS even if you're the main tank. Him whining about it, though, that was just adding insult to injury, since I had so very little DPS windows because everyone (including the tank) kept tanking avoidable damage with the face. I left the instance before he pulled Diabolos and left the other SCH to solo heal. A friend of mine was in the party, and predictably they wiped really fast cause I wasn't there to babysit them.

I felt bad about ditching my friend with a bad party, though :')

Happened the other day where we bit more then we can chew, couldn't outheal the damage over an extended time... and some wise cracking DPS thought it was needed to add his two cents about the healing.

I just responded "I'm only dpsing because killing the mobs have been unusually slow" and stopped dpsing the rest of the dungeon. Was untrue as I normally DPS but hopefully they got the hint I can see them spamming the same ineffectent combo throughout the dungeon

The community is quick to take any criticism or suggestion as a hostile critique and thus respond acerbicly. Even if such comments were not the intent, this is just how players are, especially in farm content. They aren't there to try, they're there to get easy rewards with minimal investment, and damn the wardens if someone's going to tell them what to do.

Just roll with it and keep going, get your tomestones, and never look back.

W O W. I've snarked at many a healer for causing wipes for being too dps obsessed, but never has anyone made a thread about it. :'3I feel sad, sob.

Its very easy to happen with cleric stance as is. I've had many close calls, which I laugh off..... but in reality the tank almost died.

This happened to me a week or so ago. All because the DRK didn't know what a defensive cooldown was and NE3DID MOaR he4LZ

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

W O W. I've snarked at many a healer for causing wipes for being too dps obsessed, but never has anyone made a thread about it. :'3I feel sad, sob.

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I'm actually starting to think you are a troll.

The tank pulled more than the healer could handle. How in any way is that the healers fault?

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

W O W. I've snarked at many a healer for causing wipes for being too dps obsessed, but never has anyone made a thread about it. :'3I feel sad, sob.

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I love how you TOTALLY READ what is being said and don't just jump too "HEALERZ R 2 DPS OBSESSED N DONT HEAL ME WHEN I AM IN DPS STANCE!" bs.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

The tank pulled more than the healer could handle. How in any way is that the healers fault?

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Please point out the part where I blamed this healer for causing the wipe with their dps. I don't mind, I'll wait.

Teasing aside, I haven't actually leveraged blame at either TC or the party they were with, as I have but one side of the story to judge, rather than the complete picture. I do wonder if you actually read what I said.

I've had a couple randoms tell me I'm not soloing and to get CS off Now. *laughs* I'm in the very early stages of learning to add a bit of dps and I generally add my damage when nothing is going on. The fact that someone panicked about CS when the party was at full health on trash was actually kind of amusing. Of course in group content I try to give people what they want (if it's within my capabilities) so that ended that practice. But I'm certainly not about to take that as a general request from the community.

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

I felt bad about ditching my friend with a bad party, though :')

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You should have gotten yourself "accidentally" locked out from the fight so you could have watched the world burn. :P Then perhaps could have continued with the party appreciating you much more...

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Originally Posted by Katryn

Of course in group content I try to give people what they want (if it's within my capabilities) so that ended that practice.

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I really don't think you have an obligation to start playing badly even when asked. :p

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

"little less barking orders and dps followed up by a bit more healing would be nice"

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Devil's advocate:

I read this more like:
Stop barking orders.
Add more healing behind your DPS.

To be fair, the tank can't possibly know your skill level and it's easy to say "the tank over pulled" vs "I couldn't handle it"

Granted, this bard seemed pretty petty.

To be perfectly honest. Before the dungeon begins, it would be in the tank's best interest to examine everyone in the party. Especially the healer. And see if they have the gear for large pulls. If they do, fine. Go and pull largely. If not, pull smaller. Do not stress your healer out making things uncomfortable.

And about the Bard. Don't worry. Even at level 60 content, a lot of bards get salty if they have Foe's up and the healer is out DPSing them. XD It's quite hilarious.
Anyways, just keep DPSing, and playing how you desire.

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Originally Posted by VraeliaValkyria

To be perfectly honest. Before the dungeon begins, it would be in the tank's best interest to examine everyone in the party.

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I was told this at one point when I started tanking, and have since stopped doing it. It is not very effective.

ilvl is not an indication of how your party will perform.

This reminds me of a time when I finally got to leveling my SCH, ran the Aery fully decked out in Orthodox gear, dpsed as normal everything is fine till
all of sudden our SMN tells me to stop dpsing. I asked why? Everything was smooth before the 1st boss, his reason was my dps was crap and he couldn't focus on
his dots as appearently I was screwing his rotation, since im on PS4 i type back whatever and continued as usual until we hit the 1st boss I noticed dps was slow, the SMN
kept casting Ruin and only Ruin. After the boss the SMN pointed how long it took if I continued to dps he wont do crap, so as a lesson I counter argued with him and put
a vote kick in hopes party would deny and keep his petty mouth shut but surprisingly they kicked him

Guys, I'd think we would have learned to ignore Thunda_cat by now...

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Originally Posted by Katryn

Of course in group content I try to give people what they want (if it's within my capabilities) so that ended that practice. But I'm certainly not about to take that as a general request from the community.

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I'm torn on this. I know it'll just cause an argument if you don't do what they ask, but I think the best choice here is to just reasure them that you're paying attention and aren't going to let them die just because you're DPSing. Don't stop practicing bc people panic!

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Originally Posted by Taika

You should have gotten yourself "accidentally" locked out from the fight so you could have watched the world burn. :P Then perhaps could have continued with the party appreciating you much more...

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Bahaha, I had better uses for my time, quite honestly. Also, iirc locking yourself out of a battle on purpose can be considered griefing, so I'd rather not! The only time I have locked myself out was when I was attacked by a flying cockroach IRL and had to go swat it, lmao. I DID SAY BRB, THO.

1 or 2 wipes I'll keep quiet and try to see what is going wrong before adding my input... I keep it civil in game even if I'm swearing the air black irl... always encourage never discourage

OP props to you for putting up with all that.

I often play with my boyfriend, he tanks I heal. Since we have IRL communication/synergy it's easy for me to let his health drop quite low, especially if I'm rolling WHM and Bene is available. He calls it "heart attack healing" (mostly lovingly I think) but the problem then arises when hes not tanking and I have a pug group. Some tanks just expect their health to never drop below 80%. I don't understand. To date I've never been kicked for it but I have had a few initiate that. DPS have always stood up for me though! :)

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

OP props to you for putting up with all that.

I often play with my boyfriend, he tanks I heal. Since we have IRL communication/synergy it's easy for me to let his health drop quite low, especially if I'm rolling WHM and Bene is available. He calls it "heart attack healing" (mostly lovingly I think) but the problem then arises when hes not tanking and I have a pug group. Some tanks just expect their health to never drop below 80%. I don't understand. To date I've never been kicked for it but I have had a few initiate that. DPS have always stood up for me though! :)

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Heart attack healing I love it! However, this is the heart of the matter for some folks I think. I know have freaked out for the tanks and tossed heals from my smn on him because the healer let him get to like 5% health. Then used benediction. Not everyone is comfortable with this type of healing and it does go wrong quite wrong regularly. Some people are pros with it but others not so much and it is frustrating when the run could have gone completely smoothly if the healer had just been a little more conservative. I only say something to a healer though if it happens more than once.

I'll leave this here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...88#post4138888

TLDR = Monk didn't kill the Baelsar's Wall collar twice and blamed it on the healer for DPSing too much =(

Bads will be bad, it's best to just leave it to natural selection and karma to deal with them imo.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

- I actually got talked down to for DPSing.
- The tank pulled more than we could handle.
- Then out of nowhere the bard has the balls to act like it was my fault.

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I'm assuming since this was leveling roulette, this all happened at lower levels with few skills. I get it. You can't Wombo-Combo heal the group if you don't have anything besides Cure I.

But above 50, If you're DPSing instead of healing and the group wipes as a result, it's probably your fault.

just my worthless 2 cents; please account for inflation.

They're just salty because you were doing better than they were :D