[Dev 1220] Why my Grand Company Item sux.. Rabble rabble rabble!

I thought they said it doesn't matter which one you join. So, maybe they will make the reward similar. But now For example:
Lominsan Lance Unique Untradable Lancer's Arm
Damage: 143 Delay: 3.7
Attack Power: +25
Crit Rate: +15

Gridanian Harpoon Unique Untradable Lancer's Armr
Damage: 125 Delay: 3.3
Accuracy: +25
Parry: +15

Ul'dahn Guisarme Unique Untradable Lancer's Arm
Damage: 140 Delay: 3.7
Accuracy: +15 Attack Power: +25

well if you look at the LL's stat it's not bad compare to ifrit. but what's that Grid one DMG 125? Even Hart Guisarme is better than that. And Parry +15!? /passout

Lancer guild at Grid too. :(
Rabble rabble rabble!

I think they were like "eff you if you're a lnc you chose Gridania LULZ" really can't be any other explanation, and it doesn't make sense since lnc is a gridanian guild. seriously the LL and uldah one are so similar no excuse for Grid to be so diff.

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

I think they were like "eff you if you're a lnc you chose Gridania LULZ" really can't be any other explanation, and it doesn't make sense since lnc is a gridanian guild. seriously the LL and uldah one are so similar no excuse for Grid to be so diff.

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I hope it is just a typo... 145 is reasonable
No other gears has such difference than the lance.

rabble rabble rabble :confused:

From what i've seen same goes for shield, which is quite annoying since there's already not much choice for those.

Lominsan Lantern
Block Rate: 126
Block: 86 Attack Power: +15

Gridanian Buckler
Block Rate: 168
Block: 71 Evasion: +15

Ul'dahn Hoplon
Block Rate: 131
Block: 107 Dexterity: +2

Of course I joined the Maelstrom. Hellooo crappy shield !
Too bad, the updates on GC were pretty cool besides that.

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Originally Posted by Deli

Lominsan Lance Unique Untradable Lancer's Arm
Damage: 143 Delay: 3.7 -- Damage/Delay = 38.65
Attack Power: +25
Crit Rate: +15

Gridanian Harpoon Unique Untradable Lancer's Armr
Damage: 125 Delay: 3.3 -- Damage/Delay = 37.87
Accuracy: +25
Parry: +15

Ul'dahn Guisarme Unique Untradable Lancer's Arm
Damage: 140 Delay: 3.7 -- Damage/Delay = 37.83
Accuracy: +15 Attack Power: +25

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When you look at it that way, not only are they all very close but the Gridanian Harpoon is actually the second best. And honestly, since I don't think there is a DPS/TP rule in XIV like XI had, you will outparse the other two lances with the gridanian one because of faster TP gain. This the same reasoning back in 1.18 why Peiste Cesti were #1. Its not always about hardest hitting weapon, there are a lot of other factors to consider.

I could do the same breakdown with the shields someone else posted but it would be redundant. Uldah's shield has a lower block rate but a drastically higher block. This also makes sense, hoplons are bigger shields than bucklers, won't block as often but will block a lot better. Factor in GLA's block%+ traits/abilities and the hoplon will most likely do much better in the field.

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Originally Posted by Razor

I could do the same breakdown with the shields someone else posted but it would be redundant. Uldah's shield has a lower block rate but a drastically higher block. This also makes sense, hoplons are bigger shields than bucklers, won't block as often but will block a lot better. Factor in GLA's block%+ traits/abilities and the hoplon will most likely do much better in the field.

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Yes of course, but I was talking about the LL shield versus the other two.

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Originally Posted by Shaedhen

Yes of course, but I was talking about the LL shield versus the other two.

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Oh wow, I retract my statement about the shields (LL's at least). I just assumed they did the same thing with shields that they did with the lances (I couldn't see your actual post when I was making mine) but that isn't the case at all. The LL shield has worse stats in both categories... Maybe it'll have cooler art...? Since they always have the best looking attire. Iunno, that does look unfair though.

As pointed out above the DPS is roughly the same and the TP gain is higher on th faster weapon.

it's for different situation, like when Lancer had to tank. I'd welcome parry weapon when i am doing something like this.

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...7f5e00415a.jpg

I really like your UI set up o.o
*copies*

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Originally Posted by Deli

I thought they said it doesn't matter which one you join. So, maybe they will make the reward similar. But now For example:
Lominsan Lance Unique Untradable Lancer's Arm
Damage: 143 Delay: 3.7
Attack Power: +25
Crit Rate: +15

Gridanian Harpoon Unique Untradable Lancer's Armr
Damage: 125 Delay: 3.3
Accuracy: +25
Parry: +15

Ul'dahn Guisarme Unique Untradable Lancer's Arm
Damage: 140 Delay: 3.7
Accuracy: +15 Attack Power: +25

well if you look at the LL's stat it's not bad compare to ifrit. but what's that Grid one DMG 125? Even Hart Guisarme is better than that. And Parry +15!? /passout

Lancer guild at Grid too. :(
Rabble rabble rabble!

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Maybe you didn't notice that the lower damage one also has porportionately lower attack delay, thus meaning you attack faster with it?

i think in the first place they were not going to give certain classes any gear from certain GC's, so that all the GC's had a sense of individuality. but then they thought this might make one GC more popular, so they decided to allow any class get gear from any GC. but at the same time they had to think of a way to keep GC's individual and that is why the gear is slightly different.

(its this sense of being different that installs loyalty and pride in your GC)

go maelstrom

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Maybe you didn't notice that the lower damage one also has porportionately lower attack delay, thus meaning you attack faster with it?

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well if I assume the current delay and damage calculation wasn't change, that tiny delay improvement wasn't giving any advantage.
I made 2 double materia (tier III + tier III) attached axe to test with friend. one of them is str + str (+22str); the other is str + att (+11str +20att).
attached axe is Demilune Bhuj dmg:141 delay:4 Attack Power : +6, Crit Rate : +12
I'm using my Ifrit's Battleaxe dmg:171 delay:4.3 Fire Resistance : +15, Attack Power : +20, Fire Damage : +1

test object is L50 that lizard pug.
on normal attack, my Ifrit's Battleaxe out dmg double materia-ed Demilune Bhuj by 20-40 (kind of forget exact amount).
On Storm's path, Ifrit's win by 100-200.
This is vs doubled materia attached item, and the low base dmg weapon is already lose horribly.
(by the way, if you are curious... The str + att is way better than str+str XD on both normal att and ws dmg)
I also don't think the damage calculation can be simply put as (weapon dmg/ delay). Just single WS dmg lose already hard to make up.

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Originally Posted by Deli

I thought they said it doesn't matter which one you join. So, maybe they will make the reward similar. But now For example:
Lominsan Lance Unique Untradable Lancer's Arm
Damage: 143 Delay: 3.7
Attack Power: +25
Crit Rate: +15

Gridanian Harpoon Unique Untradable Lancer's Armr
Damage: 125 Delay: 3.3
Accuracy: +25
Parry: +15

Ul'dahn Guisarme Unique Untradable Lancer's Arm
Damage: 140 Delay: 3.7
Accuracy: +15 Attack Power: +25

well if you look at the LL's stat it's not bad compare to ifrit. but what's that Grid one DMG 125? Even Hart Guisarme is better than that. And Parry +15!? /passout

Lancer guild at Grid too. :(
Rabble rabble rabble!

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Parry effects LNC damage output.