Figured Id try and change the topic from my poor whm to something that can be discussed. So just from the about a year Ive been playing, I have notice that SE seems to stick with their trends. So Im curious on everyone's thoughts , do you think the first primal will be a push over like the first one of Arr and the First one of hw. I hear alot of people complain about how easy they perceive the game to be so Im curious to know that if the first primal was super easy would this effect how you felt about the expansion?
I personally feel like the first two will be easy myself just to kinda break new players into the game sense they may have not had any primal experience prior to Sb. Just wana know everyones thoughts and if this would be a game breaker for anyone if the first few extremes where super easy.
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06-02-2017, 10:07 PMbswpaytonDo u think the first primal will be as easy as Garuda or Bismark if so will be upset
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06-02-2017, 10:23 PMdragonseth07
Easy for statics or easy for PUG's? I've seen some repeated wipes to the HW Primals because PUG's cba to deal with mechanics.
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06-02-2017, 10:33 PMbswpaytonHah I mean of course , but just even by nature bismark was clearly easier than all the other primals, and so was garuda just their mechanics alone where just kinda super straight forward. The others can be argued based on perception but I mean bismark is pretty much adds and a tank swap and thats it, didnt even really have phases or anything. Bismark extreme could basicly be a dungeon boss. So I know SE said that the dungeons where not gona get an amp up in difficulty so Im curious as to if they will keep the trend going in the extreme primals at least the first one or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonseth07
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06-02-2017, 10:36 PMsilverlunarfoxwell bismarck x did have weather phases, which if you werent paying attention, could mess up a party pretty good and still unfortunately does same with the dps/tank swap. easy is depending on the group you have. but usually yes, first primal fights are generally less intensive than later fights. but anything does get easier with practice, so i wouldnt read too much into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bswpayton
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06-02-2017, 10:47 PMKiraCifer
first ones are hard/normal even then once in a while in roulette get them and the group wipes so mostly on how well people do and with the leveling potion gonna get a lot of people who are new players who just jump to it and still getting the hang of the class so gonna say gonna be harder this time around in SB then was in ARR or HW as you had so many level to learn your job to Garuda and so many to learn the few new skill by Bismarck now going to be buy this and jump to here and less time to learn what your doing
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06-02-2017, 11:26 PMDement
Bismarck wasn't as easy at the very start of Heavensward. The mechanics are indeed very straight forward but there were some pretty tight DPS checks baked into the fight that the average PUG group couldn't pull off. Now those DPS checks are nothing because of Echo and Gear which makes it seem so simple.
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06-02-2017, 11:31 PMZojhaAnd people still sometimes fail...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dement
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06-02-2017, 11:40 PMLineageRazor
You talking Ex? Or storyline trials? Because Garuda storyline was a menace for early players, and even later on remained enough of a problem that players would drop from instance if they got her in Leveling Roulette. Up until SE nerfed the crap out of her, anyway. For a long time, though, it was much easier to beat Garuda Hard than Garuda Normal...
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06-02-2017, 11:43 PMbswpaytonyea the extreme version ha , Im just curious as alot of people say they hate how content is so easy and all of that etc, so I wonder if the first one or two are super easy will it make people feel discouraged about the expansionQuote:
Originally Posted by LineageRazor
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06-02-2017, 11:46 PMRaijinSupreme
I dont remember Bismarck extreme being easy when it first came out.
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06-02-2017, 11:48 PMsilverlunarfoxSome people get really lucky and get good groups that make them think its super easy as well (me in the first steps of faith before the super nerfs....got a great group passed on first go......then i found out why people raged at it when i tried getting and FC mate through it....) You will always have those people tho...We will just have to wait and see. besides, they always throw in a super hard fight or two. I.E. Thordan the great group destroyer. >.> I did Ultima too when it also was the group destroyer in 2.0....Quote:
Originally Posted by bswpayton
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06-02-2017, 11:52 PMVaerIt definitely was not comparable to a dungeon boss. Some PUGs couldn't do it (probably failing DPS checks), I even remember people posting threads on these very forums about bad players in Bis Ex. On my server I think people started excluding MCHs in PF.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme
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06-02-2017, 11:56 PMCaedemSanguis
I dont know on one hand SE listen to raid community and made a super savage, in other hand they dont want too skills...
I just think that the primal will gonna be on the same HS line, hard primal like thordan and easy one like Nidhogg -
06-03-2017, 12:05 AMPomelo
Honestly I think it will be subjective, remember we are kinda relearning our jobs after the revamp, and that'll directly effect how hard some of us find things.
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06-03-2017, 12:12 AMbswpaytonyes I think but the more I look and go over all these jobs alot of them aside from a few pretty much are the same with some new skills, I dont think its gona take a huge amount of time to relearn some of them. Im lookin at monk now they pretty much got only three new skills one being a raid utility , so Id say yea maybe for bard and mch which have the biggest changes. But alot of the jobs just lost some skills, potency , and got a few new tricks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pomelo