[dev1206] The effects of Protect and Shell have been made mutually exclusive

[dev1206] The effects of Protect and Shell have been made mutually exclusive, and one now overwrites the other.

Is this for real?

are you effing kidding me?

That's something i don't understand. But surely there's a reason

Wow, now i only need to press 1 button instead of 2, this game sucks i am quitting!!

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Originally Posted by Irana

[dev1206] The effects of Protect and Shell have been made mutually exclusive, and one now overwrites the other.

Is this for real?

are you effing kidding me?

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I just talked about this in the other thread but it seems to be wrong or something there is no shell spell and one of cnj traits state that you get magic def from protect.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Wow, now i only need to press 1 button instead of 2, this game sucks i am quitting!!

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what? no now you cant have two buffs at the same time. So if an enemy uses both melee and magic what you gonna do? take the full blunt of one of the two. This goes against every single ff's logic out there.

This is a horrible, horrible decision and change in my opinion. For any what reason would this make sense? I have not the slightest idea. Since when in any FF has Protect and Shell overwritten eachother.

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Originally Posted by Irana

what? no now you cant have two buffs at the same time. So if an enemy uses both melee and magic what you gonna do? take the full blunt of one of the two. This goes against every single ff's logic out there.

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except there is no shell and protect probably covers magic defense as well...

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24 - Trait - Enhanced Protect - Increases magic defense gained from Protect.
Recast Time: 5sec.

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nice to meet you.

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Originally Posted by BigCajonez88

This is a horrible, horrible decision and change in my opinion. For any what reason would this make sense? I have not the slightest idea. Since when in any FF has Protect and Shell overwritten eachother.

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But there is no Shell...

Shell is part of protect now, so it's actually an improvement.
Where is the problem?o,Ô

Step 1: Make spells mutually exclusive
Step 2: Remove one of the spells
Step 3: Mass confusion
Step 4: ????
Step 5: Commence monthly fees.

The problem is it does not make sense, either a localization error on the specific dev1206 or Shell is missing.

Some ppl need to actually read the notes instead of skimming them. However seems protect will work more like barrier which to me is good. Honestly how often did mages cast only shell and no protect? So now that Enhanced protect works for magic (old Shell) why all the tears? You only lost the name not the effect. Also it makes Protect mean something. Protect me from physical and magic is good i dont care what you called it.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

But there is no Shell...

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Ok so they combined the two...can anyone tell me where it follows FF logic?

Yes thats what Im complaining about it makes no logical sense!

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Originally Posted by leomike35

Some ppl need to actually read the notes instead of skimming them. However seems protect will work more like barrier which to me is good. Honestly how often did mages cast only shell and no protect? So now that Enhanced protect works for magic (old Shell) why all the tears? You only lost the name not the effect. Also it makes Protect mean something. Protect me from physical and magic is good i dont care what you called it.

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No the problem is that it says only one effect can be active @ an time which makes no sense must be an error, all i can think of.

Might as well just name it Barrier...

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Originally Posted by BigCajonez88

Ok so they combined the two...can anyone tell me where it follows FF logic?

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They should have named it Wall or something but pro and shell have been one spell before it makes sense.

For my part, I miss the Shell name. They should have just changed the name from Protect to Barrier to make it more in line with the cannon. Then later they can release Protect and Shell on a different mage class.

But I might be a bit nitpicky about this.

Also, It would be nice to have a spell that works like the AOE force-field in the LL opening CS....

I wonder if that whole idea has been scrapped..

Maybe Shell will be a White Mage job spell.

So when you do Enhanced Protect, does it overwrite, then overwrite, then overwrite, then overwrite, then overwrite, then overwrite, then overwrite, then overwrite, then overwrite .. *300 seconds later* then fade?

If they make it overwrite each other; that's fine, but don't make Wall/Barrier and call it Protect.
I could see some strategy if you had to time your protect or shell to avoid incoming damage. That would be very cool.

If they are merged as one spell; rename it to Wall/Barrier. Please. Thanks.

For all the FF logic complaints, I have to say:

Efficient & fun MMO > FF nostalgia.

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Originally Posted by Belial

For all the FF logic complaints, I have to say:

Efficient & fun MMO > FF nostalgia.

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They can do both though. Rename the spell and you can satisfy the people who came to play a Final Fantasy title, and the butt plumbers like you.

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Originally Posted by BigCajonez88

Ok so they combined the two...can anyone tell me where it follows FF logic?

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This is Final Fantasy XIV. What is this "logic" you speak of?

There is nothing about overwriting in the patch notes in the other languages, so I guess it was just mistranslated.
Shell is now part of Protect, and I see no logical problem with it.
The protect spell can't be renamed to "Barrier" because until lvl 24, it's just that - Protect, raising the physical def like it always did since FF1.
When you hit rank 24, your "force of mind" (or whatever you think is the source of magic:rolleyes:) becomes strong enough to add even MORE defense to the targets, adding def against magic attacks too.
Btw, it's "only" Protect too if you equip it on any class but conjurer.
There is no problem with the logic behind this decision!

Shell is still in the game, guys. [item=3020502]Ironwill Unguent[/item]

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

They can do both though. Rename the spell and you can satisfy the people who came to play a Final Fantasy title, and the butt plumbers like you.

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If a main concern for you in Final Fantasy XIV comes down to a localization issue, you should jump ship now.

It's weird it doesn't say it in French but we have that at the same place in the Note.

[dev1288] Le bouton permettant de changer l’aire d’effet des sorts a été supprimé.
En conséquence, la commande texte /areaofeffect a également été supprimée.

It says:

The button that allows you to change the area of effect of spells has been removed.
Thus, the text command /areaofeffect has been removed too.

We have that info and you have the Protect/Shell info. The Notes are really different from country to country. Weird.

Mistranslation or not, I hope they don't really do this.

@OP: putting a [devXXXX] in thread title =!= tagging a thread with devXXXX. *tag added*

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Originally Posted by Irana

[dev1206] The effects of Protect and Shell have been made mutually exclusive, and one now overwrites the other.

Is this for real?

are you effing kidding me?

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This and other details, such as distance not being relevant for an accuracy bonus for archer or spell AoE shape for thaumaturge, are really confusing me. We can only hope this is in preparation for a better system and not a complete removal altogether. However, if it is like monster behaviour that was taken away several months ago and we still don't have it back today, it might take ages before we see the end of it.

Can we be enlightened about these changes?

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Originally Posted by Belial

If a main concern for you in Final Fantasy XIV comes down to a localization issue, you should jump ship now.

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I'm not concerned about this at all.
They have been streamlining this game for quite some time now. I've expressed my concern but the majority is against me.
Is it too much to ask for some FF tradition? Nobody gets hurts and it's just nice to see they have not forgetting their old games.

This is such a bad change I don't know where to begin..

I can't believe they actually made these class changes worse..

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Originally Posted by Nakiamiie

This and other details, such as distance not being relevant for an accuracy bonus for archer or spell AoE shape for thaumaturge, are really confusing me. We can only hope this is in preparation for a better system and not a complete removal altogether. However, if it is like monster behaviour that was taken away several months ago and we still don't have it back today, it might take ages before we see the end of it.

Can we be enlightened about these changes?

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The casting Aoe seems better now Instead of nuking stuff with a cone effect, nuking with a huge circle aoe effect is much better

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Originally Posted by Kiote

This is such a bad change I don't know where to begin..

I can't believe they actually made these class changes worse..

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Lol the classes look better than they ever have, Good to know that with traits my cure on thm will never come close to a cnj cure.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

I'm not concerned about this at all.
They have been streamlining this game for quite some time now. I've expressed my concern but the majority is against me.
Is it too much to ask for some FF tradition? Nobody gets hurts and it's just nice to see they have not forgetting their old games.

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Airships, Moogles, Chocobos, FFXI Races, Classic Job Names, Primals (Ifrit, Titan, Leviathan, Garuda, etc.), Magitek Armor, "Materia" system...

Yea, that one ability name definitely tips the scales.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

There is nothing about overwriting in the patch notes in the other languages, so I guess it was just mistranslated.

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Sadly, no it wasn't mistranslated. It says the exact same thing in Japanese.

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[dev1206] プロテス／シェルの効果が同時にかからなくなり、あとからかけた効果が上書きされるようになります。

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The effects of Protect and Shell will not be effective at the same time... you know the rest. :confused:

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Originally Posted by BigCajonez88

Ok... can anyone tell me where it follows FF logic?

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¿Seriously? ¿You actually think there's something in that category of things? ¿FF logic!!?

And btw, "Cajón" means 'drawer' in Spanish. ¿You have big ones? I have a bunch of silly postings to store... :p

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Originally Posted by Firon

The casting Aoe seems better now Instead of nuking stuff with a cone effect, nuking with a huge circle aoe effect is much better

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I have a friend that fell in love with thaumaturge for the cone effect. I, too, was enjoying the different AoE. Cone being more offensively oriented while circle AoE defensive for party. It was combat dynamic, now it's being oversimplified again... they could just have shown the area of effect on the screen instead.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Airships, Moogles, Chocobos, FFXI Races, Classic Job Names, Primals (Ifrit, Titan, Leviathan, Garuda, etc.), Magitek Armor, "Materia" system...

Yea, that one ability name definitely tips the scales.

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Why deviate now?

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Originally Posted by Nakiamiie

I have a friend that fell in love with thaumaturge for the cone effect. I, too, was enjoying the different AoE. Cone being more offensively oriented while circle AoE defensive for party. It was combat dynamic, now it's being oversimplified again... they could just have shown the area of effect on the screen instead.

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it was not really combat dynamic at all the cone shape casting limited some spells like sleep, sometimes the cone effect could not hit everything you needed, also why can't both classes have all 3 line cone and circle Aoe effects.