Split Shot => Split Shot => Split Shot...

Will Stormblood lift the RNG bull**** from our Machinists\\' Split => Slug => Clean combo? I love the job but ffs (4) Split Shots in a row are happening far too often considering the supposed 50% proc. Cast time or no, I may jump ship if RNGesus is still around in Stormblood.

Dunno... they are using the same motif for RDM, though...

I can definitely picture RNGesus giving us phases where RDM ends up doing Jolt -> Thunder -> Impact -> Air over and over without getting procs for Fire and Stone.

RNG isn't as bad as what people make it out to be on MCH, and those that believe it is may need to check their rotations. Forums will be forums.

Possibly, as from the trailer it looks like the Ammo mechanic is changing, having only 3 stacks now, and what looked to be Edit: special attacks consuming the Ammo... so yeah, between the removal of the cast time, and a hopefully far more interesting Ammo mechanic (as fun as it is telling RNGesus to get ****ed), MCH may actually be enjoyable to play (Edit: IMO).

One of the many reasons MCH is god awful.

I hope they get rid of the RNG on it. Spamming the first step of your combo on a melee job would be extremely boring, and that's exactly what MCH is so much of the time.

RDM will get the same love. Good luck.

People really exaggerate how heavily MCH is an RNG based job. Our damage fluctuations come from crits during wildfire, minimally from our 1-2-3 or 1-2-1 or 1-1-1.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

People really exaggerate how heavily MCH is an RNG based job. Our damage fluctuations come from crits during wildfire, minimally from our 1-2-3 or 1-2-1 or 1-1-1.

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Well it looks like the ammo mechanic is being altered to recieving 3 bullets to use on Powerful shots similar to SMN aetherflow. That would imply that you dont have the reload mechanics which help you bypass much of the RNG factor associated with your 123 combo. If they dont change that combo, it will be a lot of 11112111231112.

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

RDM will get the same love. Good luck.

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RDM's abilities, at least, look rad so it won't be so mind numbingly boring as opposed to Split, Split, Split, etc.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

I can definitely picture RNGesus giving us phases where RDM ends up doing Jolt -> Thunder -> Impact -> Air over and over without getting procs for Fire and Stone.

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A base rotation of 4 spells is quite different from a base rotation of 1 spell, though.

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Originally Posted by kupokage

Will Stormblood lift the RNG bull**** from our Machinists\\' Split => Slug => Clean combo? I love the job but ffs (4) Split Shots in a row are happening far too often considering the supposed 50% proc. Cast time or no, I may jump ship if RNGesus is still around in Stormblood.

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You complain for 4 Split Shots without a proc? LOL

I arrived to the point of use 28 without a single proc.

Imo MCH is fun as is. Its the other job rotations that suck. Id much rather press 1 and not know when id get to press 2 than to always press 1,2,3 repeatedly like a mindless zombie.

Reload is a 30 sec CD. Quick Reload is 15.

There is NO reason anyone should be spamming Split Shot EVER. AND Clean Shot can proc from Slug Shot regardless of whether Split Shot procced.

Don't complain about the job's design if you're not even trying to play it right.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

Dunno... they are using the same motif for RDM, though...

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RDM has it much easier since they are only relying on procing verfire/verstone off of verthunder or veraero. Verholy and Verflare will always be 100% if done right. That's one skill you have to worry about to complete you chain and if you fail its not as big of a damage loss as MCH. MCH has a 50% proc from 1 to 2 and a 50% proc from 2 to 3. Failing either those ruins your chain and drops your dps much more.

Rng is rng and people are retardedly biased when it comes to their "luck" if you have played enough machinist you will have as many good streaks as bad streaks but you will only remember the bad ones and then come to whine here. It's not that square has bad "rng system" or whatever, that is just retarded. The chance is 50/50 and you can prove it.

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Originally Posted by Samsta

The chance is 50/50 and you can prove it.

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its 50/50 given infinite tries. Players don't care about their overall probability being 50/50 they care about their current statistics in the current fight.

Anyone else see this, get the Beatles "I am the Walrus" flashbacks and start signing?

"Split shot, Split Shot, everybody Split Shot!"

... no? Just me? Okay....


*walks away sad*

Yeah, but they need to understand that they will have good and bad rng in fights and that can't be helped.

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Yeah, but they need to understand that they will have good and bad rng in fights and that can't be helped.

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very true. I think SE should just remove the probability mechanics and adjust the damage accordingly, if at all. It really would make the class feel much nicer outside of cooldowns.

I noticed over the course of the expansion that this is the one element of machinist that seems to consistently annoy people. The solution is simply not to worry about micromanaging your DPS so much. Sometimes you'll get dry spells, sometimes you'll get lucky and get procs over and over - it all evens out in the end. In the grand scheme of things, mechanics like natural damage variance and critical strikes impact your DPS just as much.

Instead of thinking of split slug and clean as 3 separate skills, just think of them as parts of the same basic 1-2-3 combo that you cycle through by default. You'll be much happier if you just take whatever you get without thinking about it too much.

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very true. I think SE should just remove the probability mechanics and adjust the damage accordingly, if at all. It really would make the class feel much nicer outside of cooldowns.

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You're not familiar with the Skinner box, I take it. This is the rare situation of skinner-boxes being used correctly. While the advent getting good RNG feels good, having it being used as a challenge point, and not a simple reward point, actually forces adaptation in what would otherwise be routine play. Maybe you were waiting on a proc to get enough mana for a full combo between the phase change, but now that proc didn't come. Now you have to decide if you've enough time for another spell, or do an partial burst before your window closes on you, or to simply hold it and use it for an opener.

Here, the random reward adds an element of unpredictability to something that would otherwise fall to the routine, and lost its novelty more quickly - especially seeming every other combat mechanic outside Job Mechanics has a very limited amount of Randomization added to it. Each fight is heavily scripted to flow a certain way you're supposed to follow and once that fight is down, the farming will quickly become monotonous. It's these small chaotic elements that will help keep combat engaging long after the fights themselves lose their natural retention.

You may say you want something mores standard, but the numbers don't lie. Skinner-box mechanics keep people hooked longer, even if it's seen as a cop-out. The fact that they're beginning to take out of reward systems is a good step. But I don't think it needs to be removed from combat mechanics - as right now they're the only thing keeping combat from very quickly becoming monotonous.

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I noticed over the course of the expansion that this is the one element of machinist that seems to consistently annoy people.

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I don\\'t like it because unless you\\'re fiddling a lot with the UI it focuses too much attention on your bar instead of what\\'s going on around you, ESPECIALLY if you\\'re having a bad streak.

It\\'s the same complaint I had for the 4th combo DRG moves. Anything that requires staring at your bar is bad design imo. Cursory glances for cooldown readiness should be the only real reason you\\'re looking at your hot bar.

the current reload is 60 seconds giving 5 bullets. The new reload is 30 seconds giving 3 bullets. That is clearly a buff since you get 1 extra bullet every 60 seconds.

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the current reload is 60 seconds giving 5 bullets. The new reload is 30 seconds giving 3 bullets. That is clearly a buff since you get 1 extra bullet every 60 seconds.

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I think its only a nerf for the opener as there will be less bullets available for it, but as a non-MCH this seems more appealing since every 30 seconds one can go high noon instead of once every opener + 60 seconds, and this makes me feel like trying MCH again.

Also, don't know if its now but Quick Reload is at 15s, so thats extra 4 bullets per minute, isn't it?

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I think its only a nerf for the opener as there will be less bullets available for it, but as a non-MCH this seems more appealing since every 30 seconds one can go high noon instead of once every opener + 60 seconds, and this makes me feel like trying MCH again.

Also, don't know if its now but Quick Reload is at 15s, so thats extra 4 bullets per minute, isn't it?

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quick reload CD will remain unchanged. The only difference now is Quick reload don't give 30 tp per use.

I'm curious as to how the new opener is going to play out, because while Turret Overload provides a nice chunk of damage for Wildfire, it'll also kill your Overcharge if it's still active, which makes me wonder if spending all of your ammo on heated shots before transitioning into overheat + Cooldown spam would be better.

probably the openner will be something like reload to Flamethrower to wildfire, to heated combos + CDs on overheat.

Dunno how cooldown will play here, since its a strong oGCD but can be only used outside overheat and takes 25 off your heat gauge

You can use Cooldown during overheat actually, if footage from the media tour is anything go by. It's also not a OGCD ability, as it costs TP.

Which would make using ammo during overheat only a minimal gain, as the total potency of an ammo boosted 1-2-3 sequence is only 75 higher then Cooldown 3x.