"Changes to FFXIV Net code could make most Ping issues Irrelevant!" where is thread?

This is a quite helpful solution in something this game needs? what happened to the thread?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ues-Irrelevant!

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Originally Posted by Sousoulsu

TL;DR: If more actions in the game functioned like Mudras, where the Client is trusted without requiring a response from the server, much of FFXIV's clunky action execution problems would evaporate. That's what I think, anyway.
What do you think about FFXIV's overall responsiveness, relating to Ping and in general?

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After the server move, there are a lot of players who have much worse Ping than before; and many who have much better. That's to be expected.
But the server move basically makes it such that almost every player understands the effect an increase from 70 to 150ms can be to FFXIV.

I think r/Anidamo on Reddit summarised the underlying issue with FFXIV's ping-reliant responsiveness:



The way the Client and Server communicate is (presumably, based on watching traffic via Network Monitoring programs) seems to favor waiting on the server before allowing the Client to proceed. This is quite frankly woefully inefficient and sluggish for a game that came out post-2010.

Legacy players will remember that a lot of the reasons why 1.0 felt so clunky to play was because every single action, including menu actions, would require a response from the server before executing that action. It does appear the same issue is at play, but to a lesser, though still noticable degree.

The following are also affected by FFXIV's tendency to wait on the server for input:
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>Moving targets being more difficult to hit, as melee abilities start then stop if you aren't inside of the target

>Buffs/Debuffs need a tick to apply, or the next GCD used after them will not benefit from them unless you wait a moment (best exemplified with using Bio then Fester or Bane)

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Now, my question is:
What do you think? Is FFXIV responsiveness about right? Is it sluggish, compared to other MMOs? Do you like that there is an activation-delay between a GCD and an oGCD being available?
I've seen people fall into one of three camps:
-They think XIV is a clunky MMO
-They think XIV is fine as it is
-They don't notice the sluggishness I an many other players talk about

I'm wondering how many people really think of this as a problem, and if so, how interested they would be in the game being overall more responsive.

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Probably deleted for infringing one of the rules.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Probably deleted for infringing one of the rules.

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It did not break any rules, it is a needed change to the game.

It probably violated some forum ToS since it points out the severe flaws in the game and how it was designed. Can't be having criticism around these parts I guess.

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Originally Posted by Hamada

It did not break any rules, it is a needed change to the game.

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Square Enix may either edit or delete posts that are deemed improper.
Posting seeking to damage or disparage Square Enix, the forum, FINAL FANTASY XIV, or others.
Posting content that seeks to interfere with the running of FINAL FANTASY XIV.
Posting content with the intention of criticizing either Square Enix staff or specific individuals.

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You can check here and here.

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Originally Posted by Kaonis

It probably violated some forum ToS since it points out the severe flaws in the game and how it was designed. Can't be having criticism around these parts I guess.

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They are actually fine with criticism, its the slander they dont like so much

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Originally Posted by ErryK

You can check here and here.

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It did not break those rules.

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Originally Posted by Hamada

It did not break those rules.

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You might think so, but SE thought otherwise since it's clearly gone.

If it is a feasible solution they will probably look at it. Its not like they want everyone to have higher pings. However really without knowing the detail of how their game is set up and what side effects changes like that can have its not something which would be rolled out rapidly without substancial testing and its unclear wether it is the best solution.

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Originally Posted by Hamada

It did not break those rules.

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Clearly it did and it's their forums. Welcome to gray area, as they don't need to give you the reason why either.

Technically this thread can be considered breaking the rules as well. You are criticizing the staff's decision of removing that thread.

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

Clearly it did and it's their forums. Welcome to gray area, as they don't need to give you the reason why either.

Technically this thread can be considered breaking the rules as well. You are criticizing the staff's decision of removing that thread.

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Clearly it is not and the GMs do not understand it is a different issue because it was merged here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4144344
Why do people assume the worst so much?

Ty for the discord message, I couldn't find it at all, no idea why it was buried like this.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

They are actually fine with criticism, its the slander they dont like so much

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actually not. X content bad has had a couple accounts bad. Unless saying content is bad is slander. It is more what mood mod is under since it discretionary and pretty wide reaching.

It's so much easier to blame other people for your connection to the servers.
http://pix.iemoji.com/images/emoji/a...vil-monkey.png

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

actually not. X content bad has had a couple accounts bad. Unless saying content is bad is slander. It is more what mood mod is under since it discretionary and pretty wide reaching.

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If that was the case, Ama's own thread would have been deleted. Yet it is still there.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...space-increase

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Originally Posted by Hamada

This is a quite helpful solution in something this game needs? what happened to the thread?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ues-Irrelevant!

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Bluntly? I don't think SE enjoys their horrific technical infrastructure being placed under the microscope.

That said, I don't think the recommended solutions - and they would be solutions - will ever be implemented, regardless of how many complaints arrive. My guess is that SE either lacks the technical expertise (likely), or is possibly opposed for philosophical reasons (the solution, as I recall, requires trusting client machines for some things), or both. I don't see how complaints would help to resolve whichever of those two issues is preventing the improvement.

Where is yoshi-p's thread about the server move?

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Where is yoshi-p's thread about the server move?

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ter-Relocation

It was just unstickied since the move has been completed.