More lyricless primal theme

Don't get me wrong here, I pretty much love every BGM in this game. But I noticed that almost no primal have a theme without lyric, Ifrit and Bismarck and Zurvan being the only ones. And I really loved Bismarck's fight, starting phase 2, "Woe that is madness" really render well there, and I really love that there was no need of lyrics to make it feels powerful, just like "Infinity" for Zurvan. I wish we could have more primal theme in the future without lyric to be able to enjoy the music only.

I take it that you haven't fought Zurvan yet.

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Originally Posted by Phireblast

I take it that you haven't fought Zurvan yet.

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I did, I edited right after posting lol. That still makes 3 primals over 14 without lyrics

the whole background music in this game is instrumental. That means like 99% of this game is without vocals.

heck, even every boss fight in every other game is without any vocals.

for once a game actually does some epic music with vocals on a few bosses and youre requesting that to be changed?

get out. thanks.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

the whole background music in this game is instrumental. That means like 99% of this game is without vocals.

heck, even every boss fight in every other game is without any vocals.

for once a game actually does some epic music with vocals on a few bosses and youre requesting that to be changed?

get out. thanks.

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Firstly I'm not asking to stop doing theme with lyrics for bosses at all. I'm just asking to balance it a bit more.
And secondly, you know why games don't make all the BGM with lyrics? Because that would be annoying af and I don't think much people would actually enjoy playing a game where you hear a singing voice all the time.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

And secondly, you know why games don't make all the BGM with lyrics? Because that would be annoying af and I don't think much people would actually enjoy playing a game where you hear a singing voice all the time.

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hence why its so special. its only on some bosses. No need to decrease that even more.

The lyrics are fine, half the time I don't even notice them. I don't look in depth into what the words are, but they enhance the song in a way that isn't distracting. Ramoo, Sophia, and Thordan are pretty good examples of this. The only exceptions (for me) are Ravana and Sephirot... their songs make me cringe.

you should add Odin and a certain one from a certain raid to the list.
Garuda only says some "Aaaah" stuff and "now fall" if I recall? Rest is all music.
Titan is a good in-between.
Leviathan isn't much of a song... and the music is the main lead to its beat.
What about Gilgamesh? It has no lyrics. He himself isn't a primal, but Enkidu is.
Then we have Ultros and Typhoon.

I think in general I've liked the ones with lyrics more, feels like a nice touch that each one sings to me in their own theme - each having their own Hymn of Fayth (FFX).

I'm not opposed to lyric-less ones, just tossing out that I actually like them.

I think a better suggestion is the ability to toggle between instrumental and vocal versions.

Because trying to create a balance from here on out is not realistic. Its possible but that would mean ensuring all future trials are vocal-less until the numbers are equal. That would also mean having whoever's in charge of music to stifle their own creativity just to suit a niche of players who want vocal-less music in trials.

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Originally Posted by Sprinks

The lyrics are fine, half the time I don't even notice them. I don't look in depth into what the words are, but they enhance the song in a way that isn't distracting. Ramoo, Sophia, and Thordan are pretty good examples of this. The only exceptions (for me) are Ravana and Sephirot... their songs make me cringe.

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I absolutely love Sephirots theme :/

https://youtu.be/xdV_bzJgRxE

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Originally Posted by Arkenne

you should add Odin and a certain one from a certain raid to the list.
Garuda only says some "Aaaah" stuff and "now fall" if I recall? Rest is all music.
Titan is a good in-between.
Leviathan isn't much of a song... and the music is the main lead to its beat.
What about Gilgamesh? It has no lyrics. He himself isn't a primal, but Enkidu is.
Then we have Ultros and Typhoon.

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True I could add Odin and Garuda. Tho even if Enkidu is a primal, their theme isn't really an FFXIV OST. The phase 1 with Enkidu is the original OST from FFV and the phase 2 without Enkidu is a remastered of it. As for Ultros and Typhon, they aren't primals, they're voidsent and their theme is FFVI's OST.

I like that there's lyrics since it's one way to portray the Primal and/ or the beastribe that we might not get in game.

For example, Sophia's song is about a girl who was ordered by Sophia to kill her mother and then herself for the sake of Balance.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

True I could add Odin and Garuda. Tho even if Enkidu is a primal, their theme isn't really an FFXIV OST. The phase 1 with Enkidu is the original OST from FFV and the phase 2 without Enkidu is a remastered of it. As for Ultros and Typhon, they aren't primals, they're voidsent and their theme is FFVI's OST.

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Oh true for Typhoon and Ultros.
Yet I belive Enkidu at the very least deserves an honorable mention.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I like that there's lyrics since it's one way to portray the Primal and/ or the beastribe that we might not get in game.

For example, Sophia's song is about a girl who was ordered by Sophia to kill her mother and then herself for the sake of Balance.

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You're right, I really liked that little sang story. I kinda like that solution

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

I think a better suggestion is the ability to toggle between instrumental and vocal versions.

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I'm pretty sure they record the voice separatly from the instruments so maybe they could do that.

I prefer with lyrics. The lyrics except from making the track less forgettable they also provide some lore which I appreciate.
So no I want more songs with lyrics as primal themes.
And since the primal fights have 2 tracks for the 2 major phases 1 can be without lyrics and the other with.

Ifrit's Theme was the original Primal Theme from 1.0 that was reused, back then there was only Ifrit and Garuda and they both used the same theme, this was before the composer had an idea to have the beastmen/primal sing the chorus of the song. I feel like Bismarck being a feral primal without sentience is why there was no lyrics for him. He doesn't communicate other than the @%Q$^L!&#*$%!#*&@!!!!! sound he makes when he seizes control over the clouds or whatever.

Metalized hymn of the faith for yojimbo!

I dislike Zurvan's theme personally. The song sounded very generic compared to the others of the Warring Triad.

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Moar vocals!

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

I think a better suggestion is the ability to toggle between instrumental and vocal versions.

Because trying to create a balance from here on out is not realistic. Its possible but that would mean ensuring all future trials are vocal-less until the numbers are equal. That would also mean having whoever's in charge of music to stifle their own creativity just to suit a niche of players who want vocal-less music in trials.

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That, love to switch off Sephirot

Enkidu is technically a primal, and the fight with him in it doesn't have any lyrics either :3

But yeah, lots of final fantasy games have music with vocals. FF7, FF8, FF10 have some. FF13 and their sequels have a huge amount.

Edit: My bad, I didn't see your earlier comment about Enkidu.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Enkidu is technically a primal, and the fight with him in it doesn't have any lyrics either :3

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Tho even if Enkidu is a primal, their theme isn't really an FFXIV OST. The phase 1 with Enkidu is the original OST from FFV and the phase 2 without Enkidu is a remastered of it.

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I like vocals in BGM. I especially liked the soundtrack in FF13 and NieR sagas. Good vocals can inject so much feeling into a song that I don't feel like there's any reason to restrict it. If anything, I wish more games embraced vocals in sound design.