Are we still going to have the same gear shared between roles and no glamour?

3 healer and 3 tanks in the game. Is the endgame tomestone gear just going to be "of fending" and "of healing" again and the extremely limited glamour system we have, going to keep forcing us to choose just 1 job from those roles to have a unique look? The glamour system needs an overhaul in a game where so much of the content is sold to us with the line, "Well you can use it for glamours!". Let my Dark Knight look different from my Warrior already.

Fun fact, a glamour log would fix literally everything wrong with the glamour system.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Fun fact, a glamour log would fix literally everything wrong with the glamour system.

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Fun fact, if its still glamouring over an item, it wouldn't fix this issue.

a glamour set, on the other hand, would. Mixing glamour sets with the glamour log would make the best combination.

Separating the gear into class specific rather than role/stat specific stuff is kind of catch 22. Yes it's nice for more unique looks and such, but it also limits options quite significantly for progression raiders. If I start a progression stint as AST and then realise I would be better off on WHM, I'll be losing all of my left side tome pieces by doing so. This was a nuisance in Gordias progression, whereas for Midas I was free to use AST on certain turns and WHM on others without restricting myself on tome gear.

I'll definitely agree with the glamour log thing, things such as sheathed weapons and /visor are saved with our gear sets. I'm sure I can't be alone in thinking that having glamours stored with these gear sets as well would be incredible? =(

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Fun fact, a glamour log would fix literally everything wrong with the glamour system.

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A basic catalog would fix inventory issues, but would literally do nothing to help with the issue the OP is talking about.

I wish this could be fixed as well, tie glamours to a job rather than a piece of gear, but they have stated in the past they would have to overhaul the system to do it which usually means it won't happen any time soon.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Fun fact, if its still glamouring over an item, it wouldn't fix this issue.

a glamour set, on the other hand, would. Mixing glamour sets with the glamour log would make the best combination.

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Yeah it'll need to be both because of how SE has the gear of "of three to four jobs group here". To reduce the amount of things being managed I think it would be nice if glamour was bound to the gearsets we already have, and you can have what like 40 of those? It would also mean if you switch weapons while you have a set active that it doesn't change the visual/theme, but you would need two or more sets if you wanted multiple themes for the same job. Because dye is bound into the glamour as well you'd only need to reapply stuff when you want to change your look, not because you got new gear :D.

I can't say how feasible this is since I don't know their code, but one idea would be altering the current glamour system so instead of glamouring over the gear we're wearing, we glamour onto the slot itself, which is unique per job. Basically, have it so glamour melding is attached to our jobs instead of the gear. That way, it wouldn't upset progression but allow people more options for appearance.

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Originally Posted by Gokuhan

A basic catalog would fix inventory issues, but would literally do nothing to help with the issue the OP is talking about.

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When people say "glamour log", many are referencing a fully fleshed out system that involves both storing item appearances as well as saving multiple outfit sets that one can switch between at will - a la Rift, WildStar, heck even WoW.

Can't imagine we won't have Stat/Role based gear in Stormblood. Reduces development costs with each new patch. But hey, maybe it'll get better. Maybe Caster DPS won't share appearances with Healers for a change. Still pretty sore we didn't get a Ramuh set for BLM/SMN but instead got Shiva, like the Healers.

I consider this to be something the game sorely needs. I have already put together my desired glamour for Red Mage, but it saddens me to think that, as long as gear is shared, I won't be able to use that outfit alongside the glamour I've put together for Summoner. Not to mention Black Mage which also had a unique look that I put on the shelf months ago in favor of Summoner.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I can't say how feasible this is since I don't know their code, but one idea would be altering the current glamour system so instead of glamouring over the gear we're wearing, we glamour onto the slot itself, which is unique per job. Basically, have it so glamour melding is attached to our jobs instead of the gear. That way, it wouldn't upset progression but allow people more options for appearance.

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I think this would be the most straight forward but because you could be in a situation where people want two different looks on say Paladin, but that would be impossible without packing all the items around in the suggestion because the glamour is bound into the job (disrupting the effectiveness of the glamour log).

It's not an impossibility to do it this way, and I do think it is the most straight forward, but I believe in the end people will ask for glamour sets so we should probably head that direction from the start... if possible (like Naunet was describing).

As a PLD main, my DRK and WAR both look very odd in their shining knight armour. I have glamours setup for both of them that are just sitting in my retainers wasting space because I can't use them.

Sad to say though, they have no plans to fix this right now, can't remember which but in one of the live letters, the director said changing the glamour system is a low priority as it would require they build a new system from the ground up.

But as others have said, 90% of the gear in this game is irrelevant if not for glamour. So it should really be a much higher priority than it is.

My personal favourite idea is to glamour onto gearsets rather than onto armour. So if I made a gearset labelled "DRK" I could glamour equipment onto the slots in that gearset (head, body, hands etc.) then, job requirements permitting, when I equip that set, I'd appear to be wearing that glamour. If I change a piece of gear, I will default to my normal looks until I register the gear I'm wearing as the "DRK" gearset again.

This would do so many things.
1. Allow each job to have a unique look. ("PLD" = knight, "WAR" = barbarian, "DRK" = evil knight, all 3 gearsets using the same shire armour).
2. Allow 1 job to have multiple looks on the same gear. ("PLD 1" = knight, "PLD 2" = town clothes. Both gearsets could be the same shire armour).
3. Inherently limit server load the system causes, because we have a limited number of gearsets already.
4. Allow us to update our gear without constantly having to reglamour (it gets tedious updating my glamour every 2 days when I replace a piece of gear. With this system, you'd simply equip a new piece and press the update gearset button).

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Fun fact, a glamour log would fix literally everything wrong with the glamour system.

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Letting the glamour be used on the soul crystal instead of the gear itself would also fix our issues.

I mean at this point I would even be fine with using the Prism as an Equipable, add a new slot and pop it on. Let us rename and re-glamour it if we like. Long as the gear in that prism is allowed for that class everything instantly gets converted. Kinda feel my wording is bad so gonna try this...

1) Equip the desired look (wear all your emporers new ___, armors, weapons)
2) Use the Prism
3) Give it a nickname or let it show what is saved on it, complete with a "preview" option.
4) Equip it and save set.

Multiple shared equipment jobs? Just swap the prism for the desired saved look.

Would also prefer something better or easier, but just tossing ideas cus I figure better than nothing. :S

solution:
highest tome gear for healer #1
2nd highest tome gear for healer #2
24 man raid gear for healer #3

While I'd love glamour sets and a glamour log, I don't see them being implemented for a long while as it would mean completely overhauling the current glamour system.

Perhaps as a more immediate measure, they could allow you to "duplicate" items with the unique tag in your inventory through an npc for a gil fee or through the use of an item. These duplicate will be identical to the original except they will not have the unique tag (so you can make multiple copies), cannot be turned in for gc seals, cannot be desynthed and sell for only 1 gil (so duplicates grant no advantages beyond glamour). All doing this should take on the programming side is making copies of existing items and altering the tags on the copy.

This way the current glamour system can still be used until a better one can take it's place while allowing us to glamour each job individually.

The two side effects of this would be making the second ring slot easier to obtain and those that glamour each job individually would also have to slot materia for each job individually. The ring problem can be solved by not allowing a copy to be worn at the same time as the original or disallowing the copying of rings altogether (easy solution, but now can't glamour rings by job). The materia problem may be more difficult to solve. Perhaps, there could be an option to duplicate materia on the gear onto the copy. Since slotted materia cannot be removed without destroying the materia, this would not grant any advantages beyond the original item. The materia problem could also be left as is as it will allow players to also slot materia by job which may be a benefit to some, but a hassle and an extra gear grind for others.

I know this is not an ideal solution and I would prefer glamour sets and a log, but I think that it is a possible solution that works with the current glamour system we have without requiring any massive overhauls.

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Originally Posted by Felis

solution:
highest tome gear for healer #1
2nd highest tome gear for healer #2
24 man raid gear for healer #3

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Yeah, but then you need three sets of gear for an already crowded armory. I'd rather they just fixed their awful glamour system.

Its going to be quite sad for so many people who are looking forward to playing Red Mage and having to share that look with Black Mage and Summoner. I mean Red Mage is such a unique and iconic look, I would want my Red Mage to look like one and I would want my other casters to NOT look like one. This really should be a much higher priority for the devs.

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Originally Posted by Pooky

Its going to be quite sad for so many people who are looking forward to playing Red Mage and having to share that look with Black Mage and Summoner. I mean Red Mage is such a unique and iconic look, I would want my Red Mage to look like one and I would want my other casters to NOT look like one. This really should be a much higher priority for the devs.

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I was worried about this, Red Mage is my favourite Final Fantasy class and I hoped they would get their own gearset, just so they would be share gear with the other casters and get a wizard look. The same could also be said for the 3 tanks, while Paladin and Dark Knight are knights, I see Warrior more like a Vikiing/Barbarian, for me they do not fit with the knight look.