Alchemy!

Anyone else think potions and things could have a better influence in the game and that they should stop dropping thousands of these things like rain from the sky and let the crafting market do it's thing? Kinda irritating that an alchemist can't efficiently make these things and the market is over saturated with them thanks to Deep Dungeon.

But the only thing Deep Dungeon saturates players with is HQ healing potions... Which weren't really mass-produced by Alchemists in the first place, and the potions dropping like candy in there are the only things that make healer-less runs possible.

I find Alchemy is more for stat potions for raiding, cordials, housing stuff, and crafting components for every other crafting class anyway. Or have we all already forgotten how nearly everything needed Camphor or Grade 1 stat components at one point?

Yea but the basis of alchemy is potion making, just feels wrong that they can't make any profit from what they are known for. Stat Potions are profit making though, just wish the HP and MP ones played a more significant and helpful roll in the rest of the game.

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Originally Posted by azura84

Yea but the basis of alchemy is potion making, just feels wrong that they can't make any profit from what they are known for. Stat Potions are profit making though, just wish the HP and MP ones played a more significant and helpful roll in the rest of the game.

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IF they were too OP, why bring a healer? They are balanced fine for what they are. You have tons of other potions that make money.

POTD drops regular potions and maybe hi-potions (I think), those aren't worth anything. I don't know about you, but I use my ALC to make HQ Max-Ethers which is a nice thing to have in Savage raids when in a bind. I also think some BLM rotations might use it for more Fire IVs in their opener, but don't quote me on that. I think it's fine the way it is.

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Max-Ether

My only complaint with alchemy is that the max level healing and MP pot caps are far too low considering the investment in mats and the cooldown from using them. 2400 hp and 1700 mp from high quality versions are such tiny amounts.

I am guessing all potions will get their numbers adjusted come 4.0 just like 3.0 did

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

My only complaint with alchemy is that the max level healing and MP pot caps are far too low considering the investment in mats and the cooldown from using them. 2400 hp and 1700 mp from high quality versions are such tiny amounts.

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^ This, this is what I mean really. It feels pointless except in Deep. I suppose Zomeki is right though, some Ether's are nice, just feels like the usefulness of potions and elixirs became diluted and the point to selling them became nil, everyone just dumps them on NPC's.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

IF they were too OP, why bring a healer?

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Cost?

A healer doesn't charge me 30k+ a run. Which I'd imagine the price point for a potion run to be if they were useful and not overabundant.

I had an idea a while back that potions/ethers should just do a regen/refresh effect, being far more potent per potion than they currently are, but not strong enough on their own to keep a tank up through boss fights. This would help make them something players can keep up to take the burden off of the healer without being too OP. Oh, and the recast timer should be greatly reduced as well.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I had an idea a while back that potions/ethers should just do a regen/refresh effect, being far more potent per potion than they currently are, but not strong enough on their own to keep a tank up through boss fights. This would help make them something players can keep up to take the burden off of the healer without being too OP. Oh, and the recast timer should be greatly reduced as well.

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I would think it would make Regen and Diurnal Sect somewhat obsolete, giving SCH and Nocturnal Sect a bit of an edge that players would ultimately abuse, i like the idea too but it's as if the potions are nerfed heavily for this reason to begin with.

Alchemy could be made more engaging by allowing alchemists to create special potions that temporarily transform a character using them into various monsters. WoW makes good use of such potions and I believe some other MMO's do as well.

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Originally Posted by azura84

I would think it would make Regen and Diurnal Sect somewhat obsolete, giving SCH and Nocturnal Sect a bit of an edge that players would ultimately abuse, i like the idea too but it's as if the potions are nerfed heavily for this reason to begin with.

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Two things: First, regens from different players/sources STACK. Second, I believe I mentioned "not strong enough to keep a tank up through boss fights." It would of course be far less potent than the regen WHM can put out, which is actually capable of carrying tanks through expert roulette dungeons on its own.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Alchemy could be made more engaging by allowing alchemists to create special potions that temporarily transform a character using them into various monsters. WoW makes good use of such potions and I believe some other MMO's do as well.

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I like this idea, but it's dangerously ambitious and scary to devs to create something different. I feel like us on the forums are daydreams with good ideas that aren't heard or they are just scared to do.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Two things: First, regens from different players/sources STACK. Second, I believe I mentioned "not strong enough to keep a tank up through boss fights." It would of course be far less potent than the regen WHM can put out, which is actually capable of carrying tanks through expert roulette dungeons on its own.

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I like it!

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Originally Posted by azura84

I like this idea, but it's dangerously ambitious and scary to devs to create something different. I feel like us on the forums are daydreams with good ideas that aren't heard or they are just scared to do.

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You already brought up PotD - so... is this really so different? Thinking about how we're having three "potions" (pomanders) in there that transform our character into a monster it wouldnt be totally new.
For out of PotD-use it would need adjusting ofc - for example not having the vul-debuff from the succubus stack

Personally don't want to be forced to go to the market to buy potions for group content, which I know sort of craps on the alchemist gold mine dream but yeah lol... Don't want to be like "you dont have a hi-elixer of gank!?!? WTH!" get out of Satasha Hard Mode! lol

However, perhaps for fun and gift for crafters they can add bonuses and passives to things like open world content and solo content. So like regen mp/tp during combat for one hour, immune to poison and extra exp two hours, 10% movement speed boost and mount speed boost when sprinting, double sprint duration etc etc. Very powerful open world/solo potions. The far more easier route would just be like "in open world and when solo, potions are 50% more effective". Solo = unsync'ing dungeons, with squadron, chocobo, etc.

Also something I feel really lacking from alchemist (and other crafting jobs) consider making some for fun, Like potion that gives you 75% reduced fall damage and double the height on your jump, water walking, shape changers (frog potion?), size modifications, etc. Not really "goof" but bottomless and cauldrons are pretty cool imo (cauldron/shareable = you use the item and then an intractable object is generated that everyone in your group can enjoy as well, like perhaps giving carpenters a portable campfire and stools).

The fun potions (again for other crafts, fun things too) could be more gil, and even the open world/solo things can be still useful too. But I just don't really want to see normal content that I need to go buy a consumable (I generally dislike consumables as a whole, although I do love bottomless potions - would buy that).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Personally don't want to be forced to go to the market to buy potions for group content, which I know sort of craps on the alchemist gold mine dream but yeah lol... Don't want to be like "you dont have a hi-elixer of gank!?!? WTH!" get out of Satasha Hard Mode! lol

However, perhaps for fun and gift for crafters they can add bonuses and passives to things like open world content and solo content. So like regen mp/tp during combat for one hour, immune to poison and extra exp two hours, 10% movement speed boost and mount speed boost when sprinting, double sprint duration etc etc. Very powerful open world/solo potions. The far more easier route would just be like "in open world and when solo, potions are 50% more effective". Solo = unsync'ing dungeons, with squadron, chocobo, etc.

Also something I feel really lacking from alchemist (and other crafting jobs) consider making some for fun, Like potion that gives you 75% reduced fall damage and double the height on your jump, water walking, shape changers (frog potion?), size modifications, etc. Not really "goof" but bottomless and cauldrons are pretty cool imo (cauldron/shareable = you use the item and then an intractable object is generated that everyone in your group can enjoy as well, like perhaps giving carpenters a portable campfire and stools).

The fun potions (again for other crafts, fun things too) could be more gil, and even the open world/solo things can be still useful too. But I just don't really want to see normal content that I need to go buy a consumable (I generally dislike consumables as a whole, although I do love bottomless potions - would buy that).

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Regardless of whatever changes they make to potions, I don't see them becoming any more "necessary" than food and stat potions.

Sadly me either

I would be happier if we could craft more then one potion/item at a time. You should assume that you could at least manage to craft 3 maybe even 5 in one turn, but nope somehow alchemy in this game is more like snail mail in real life. Take a seat, throw some ingredients together that make no sense to be thrown together in first place, wait... and wait.... and well wait..... here's your chance to H... nope failed, voila here's your one potion, Sir. I think if they could change that already, and then take a closer look at the job itself, we could hope for more items later on that are actually useful.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

I would be happier if we could craft more then one potion/item at a time. You should assume that you could at least manage to craft 3 maybe even 5 in one turn, but nope somehow alchemy in this game is more like snail mail in real life. Take a seat, throw some ingredients together that make no sense to be thrown together in first place, wait... and wait.... and well wait..... here's your chance to H... nope failed, voila here's your one potion, Sir. I think if they could change that already, and then take a closer look at the job itself, we could hope for more items later on that are actually useful.

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Potion crafting has been changed to give 3 potions per synth for quite a while now.
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