Ifrit doable without LNC + Sentinel?

Can someone share a link?

This should easily be doable. Hellfire only pops about 2.5k damage without sentinel.

Defender (MRD 10) and Stoneskin (from your mages) should mitigate about 600-800 damage.

If the DD stack on top of one of the mages following this for a curaga 2 and pray your tits off that he does a tripple dash so you have time to recover your hp/mp

I would say that the tank at least definitely needs it(sentinel) if you have some DD that dont.

You will also likely need 3 mages to pull it off without LNC. A fight like that is likely to be in the 15-20 minutes time range assuming it goes smoothly and you'll need to be droping extra cures on the DD that may be getting seared.

My group has done it with 2lnc 2mrd 1pug 2con 1tha

notably 1 of the lancers, 1 of the marauders, the pugilist and 1 conjurors did not have sentinel. we still beat it fine.

I havent got a link, but yes its doable

Its questions like these I think:

BlueGarter...was a blessing, what a mother&%$#ing curse...

Yes like mentioned it is very doable without sentinel, but your tank will more than likely have it (because its a tanking ability) The most important thing is getting rid of one of the nails. Honestly I find it to be more fun without a group of Sentinel elitists, I'll take the extra time for the fun factor any day.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Its questions like these I think:

BlueGarter...was a blessing, what a mother&%$#ing curse...

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ANYWAYS. Yeah it's doable, you'll probably want to roll with MRDs for Defender II, good DPS, and their high HP. Be ready to have 1 or 2 of your healers do back-to-back Curaga on melee right after Hellfire. It'll help if you make sure all your melee stay generally clumped-up right before Hellfire pops, and then have your mages already casting Curaga on the party as they take dmg. Like said above, Stoneskin II.

Don't get me wrong TheFatHouseCat I appreciate and respect all the hard work that BlueGarter puts forth and shares with the public, I've been using that website for valuable information since FFXI. I just hate it when people take their ways of victory as doctrine and covet it like the last supper. :/

But maybe I'm just too out of the box and experimental x_x; I meant no offense.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

BlueGartEr

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No offense taken at all xD Just making a spelling correction.

oh woops, didnt realize I missed the 'e' thanks! And I realize now I did it again in the second post haha! (stupid wireless keyboard)

Doable yes. Viable? Questionable. When you have to kill Ifrit upwards in the three digits to get the weapons you want, you want to be as quick and as efficient as possible.

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Originally Posted by Madruk

Doable yes. Viable? Questionable. When you have to kill Ifrit upwards in the three digits to get the weapons you want, you want to be as quick and as efficient as possible.

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The new loot drop is definitely going to help with the kill count. Some of my LS members have had terrible luck... and im getting stick for it! Sometimes I wish I never got that damn harpoon, the DD hate me!

Well, Sentinel is sort of going away next patch, so...

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Don't get me wrong TheFatHouseCat I appreciate and respect all the hard work that BlueGarter puts forth and shares with the public, I've been using that website for valuable information since FFXI. I just hate it when people take their ways of victory as doctrine and covet it like the last supper. :/

But maybe I'm just too out of the box and experimental x_x; I meant no offense.

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I agree with this, once Bluegarter post a stratagy its the only way to do it according to the community, remember DH arc burn, now ifrit LNC burn what will it be next king moogle MRD burn (could be alot of mobs if the vid shown in live letter is anything to go by, so AoE onry)

I would say its doable, I wanna see if I can win with all PUGs sometime, and Omega_Hack you arent too out of the box I beat him in an all santa party :)

Edit and you can survive Hellfire without sentinal, I have done it many times, you just need to be at full HP and have stoneskin 2 up and you will survive with ~400-600 HP depending on how fresh stoneskin is, you just need, as people have said, one or 2 curagas on melee straight after it damages you.

You don't need Lancers if you have smart DoWs beating on it. The problem is, most people aren't smart. Therefore, parties opt for the easiest method possible. Same goes for Sentinel.

Its...always been doable without lnc and sentinel >.>

I've survived as a mage many times without popping Sentinal, so yes, it's very doable. You just need full HP before Inferno.

why so many doable but no video?

because most people that take videos are the people who do things the easiest way.

do you need a video to try it yourself? I don't do fraps because playing on 3 screens taxes my video cards enough as it is.

There is TA video, there is santa video, there is swimsuit video but where is the video without lnc n sentinel?

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Originally Posted by Leo_Hart

There is TA video, there is santa video, there is swimsuit video but where is the video without lnc n sentinel?

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OP, apparently there aren't any.
If there is one someone would've posted it.
Why you ask for ifrit fight w/o lnc n sentinel video anyways?

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Originally Posted by DanteAorzen

OP, apparently there aren't any.
If there is one someone would've posted it.
Why you ask for ifrit fight w/o lnc n sentinel video anyways?

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So he knows people aren't lying?

We've done it with two MRD, two CNJ, one THM, two LNC, and one ARC.

OMG YES we have an archer in the party and she is pretty damn good at avoiding everything, just takes practice. Her damage and distance from Ifrit also takes eruption priority off the mages a lot of the time.

And yes OP, I have survived Hellfire without Sentinel before because I used it too early /sigh. lol but I did have rampart and defender up xD

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Originally Posted by DanteAorzen

OP, apparently there aren't any.
If there is one someone would've posted it.
Why you ask for ifrit fight w/o lnc n sentinel video anyways?

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Is there any reason why? I can imagine how many to fail to make this video success, YES it is doable!!

I don't see any reason why a group would torture themselves to do this based on the sh***y drop rate.
But I might be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Leo_Hart

Is there any reason why? I can imagine how many to fail to make this video success, YES it is doable!!

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It is OP, I just don't want to have to turn down my graphics to record a fight hehe.. especially when my party isn't as great at avoiding things as I am xD

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

BlueGarter...was a blessing, what a mother&%$#ing curse...

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How is it their fault? That strategy is objectively the easiest, fastest, and safest way to kill Ifrit. It has nothing to do with who released the video. Even if they had released a video with a less than effective strategy, everyone would have still gravitated to Lancer burn eventually once the method is refined.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

How is it their fault? That strategy is objectively the easiest, fastest, and safest way to kill Ifrit. It has nothing to do with who released the video. Even if they had released a video with a less than effective strategy, everyone would have still gravitated to Lancer burn eventually once the method is refined.

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nobody said it was their fault. they have given alot of help to the community.

the statement is more about the fact that the community takes the video and turns things into arc or lnc only parties. it's not fair to blue garter nor the rest of the players, but that's what happens. most people are just too scared to try something different so they want to only use the easiest route. the lancer only and arc only parties are the fault of the community not blue garter.

to answer the op, yes, it is doable, but at this point i doubt anyone's going to be willing to make the video. i'm over 250 kills myself and am actually quite sick of doing ifrit as is most of my ls at this point. the only reason we still do it at all is grinding it to get everyone all the weapons. we did experimentation earlier and can verify it is possible, but didn't do video because it's really not worth it.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

And yes OP, I have survived Hellfire without Sentinel before because I used it too early /sigh. lol but I did have rampart and defender up xD

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Same here - popped it to early and screwed it up :D

You'll survive if you are close to full life and buffed with skills like Stoneskin and Rampart, however you will have very little life left (< 500 hp). Ifrit however will already be moving into his next WS almost right away. You'll want to make sure you are safely out of the way of the next WS and get on with healing yourself quickly.

you of course also have the option of destroying all the nails, then you have no issue at all with hellfire

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

you of course also have the option of destroying all the nails, then you have no issue at all with hellfire

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I'd love to see a video of that!

IMO Hellfire isn't really the most dangerous part of the fight, it's what happens after.

My LS was able to eventually consistently live through hellfire with only the tank and 1 cnj having sentinel but the chaos afterward took a lot more practice.

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Originally Posted by Leo_Hart

Is there any reason why? I can imagine how many to fail to make this video success, YES it is doable!!

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It's not so much that people failed to make a video, it's just that there's no reason to. It's not particularly amusing, and it's not a brand new strat or anything, and it's been KNOWN that you can beat Ifrit without LNC/Sentinel. No reason to put time and effort into a vid about... well, nothing.

/Alicia Silverstone voice: god becky being so popular hurts my jaw.


but seriously: yes it can be done and HAS been done but why bother? (other than to humor yourselves)

Gheo u miss me?

It's definitely doable. We killed him last week with a mage taking over as tank after a miss-firing of Sentinel and some bad luck. It was a glorious fight.

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Originally Posted by Leo_Hart

why so many doable but no video?

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Because not everyone records videos let alone good videos -- Have you seen the quality of FFXIV videos on youtube? No offense to those who make them, but I've literally watched 8 different versions of the Ifrit cutscene and only 1 of them wasn't a slideshow.

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Originally Posted by Ilean

Gheo u miss me?

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haha, where r u now? >.<