Rogue or Pugilist? Returning player looking for something new

Right, I've just returned from about 7 -8 months of inactivity. Drg was my main and was doing not bad. Ilvl 200 something then the nfl came back bought madden so bye bye ffxiv.

Resubed last night and tried practicing with my drg. But I've forgot the best combo manoeuvres ie botd rotation and positionals so thought screw it try something new. Rogue and pug is my obvious choice as I like dps and that the strategy that comes with melee dps.

So my question is what is everyone's thought on Pugilist and rogue and what has More excitement to the role e.g positional combos, buffs.

Had little play with both and both seem similar at lower lvls and tbh pug seems better at the moment.

Thoughts?

Should have also mentioned my mouse has broke so something ps4 controller friendly till I get a new mouse as drg is a total nightmare what with the constant R1 hotbar switch to ram in as much dps.

If you enjoy positionals and high damage - Pugilist/Monk. All of the abilities in their combo rotation rely not only on stance but rear/flank positionals for maximum effect. Downside is that currently they do not have a great deal to offer others in a party, so their lack of responsibilities make them simpler to play.

Rogue/Ninja is technically the weakest in terms of damage, but offers more party utility. It gives a party-wide damage boost with Trick Attack and can help manage aggro on party members with their post-50 skills.

Both are fun to play (I prefer Ninja myself) and share gear until iLvl 110 or so, so you can give them both a shot to see which you find more fun. In addition, their rotations don't dramatically change after 50 the way some jobs did, but they both get tools to help make their self-buffs easier to maintain.

Well if you dont want to swap hotbars alot play Monk. I played Monk on pad for almost 2 years and had nearly all my buttons on one bar. I only had to swap for Charka and Rock Breaker.

Also IMO Monk is alot easier to learn than Ninja.

Well crisis averted I've got a new mouse

Pug/monk I thinks for me. One thing though is monks dps make up for its inability for buffing your party? I.e overall party damage is greater than it would be if he/she is a NIN with all there buffs. Or is there to many variables?

There will always be preferences in groups, and Ninja tends to fit in better in the raid scene because of its party utility. Monk, sadly, does not. However, every job is perfectly viable in content, and plenty of groups will still take a Monk along. Just play what you enjoy, and hope Stormblood's new abilities help alleviate those concerns with the meta. :)

Depends... if you're not planning to form a raid static then none of that matters anyway lol. In normal content the extra damage is appreciated to help speed up the dungeon run at least (assuming you can hit positionals right).

But if you want to raid, I know a lot of groups will take a NIN over a MNK in an instant because of the extra utility. At the same time I know a group that swears by their MNK (who puts their BLM to shame by a few hundred points every fight - probably more now that the ilvl has gone up). It all depends on the type of static you get, and how they like to do their fights.

It seriously depends do you like that your abilities are bound to screw up because the server didn't communicate the info back to your client properly and then end up wasting a mudra if so then play Ninja and if you don't like that then play Monk its pretty simple. If your connection isn't that great avoid Ninja and play Monk or some other job that catches your eye.

Ultimately I say play what you like. You can change FC if you want to raid on X class but they won't take you. Or linkshells or however you ar set up to raid if you like to raid. Something to consider...if the samurai sounds like it is what you'd like to play monk will get you set up with gear for it.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

Something to consider...if the samurai sounds like it is what you'd like to play monk will get you set up with gear for it.

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yeah but be careful with materia - we don't know which sub-stats/stat-weight SAM and RDM are based on yet ^^

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Originally Posted by GeminiXIV

Also IMO Monk is alot easier to learn than Ninja.

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I don't fully agree with this statement.

The ninja basics are pretty easy and you will understand the basic rotation easily too.
Monk ain't that difficult to understand but is, in my opinion, the job that require the most skillcap out of the 3 melees DPS.

The difference between good and decent Monks is incredible in term of potency.

I enjoy both, my advice would be give a try to both and decide by yourself ;)

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Originally Posted by Watachy

The difference between good and decent Monks is incredible in term of potency.

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yeah the difference is between caring the positionals and stances or not – but ya im with you the decent ones are harder to master than basic ninja-rotations jupp ^^

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Originally Posted by Neela

yeah but be careful with materia - we don't know which sub-stats/stat-weight SAM and RDM are based on yet ^^

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true, but you can always remove material and replace it later.

if you have a crafter at lvl20 (?) – maybe I should raise at least one of them after 3 years... x'D

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Originally Posted by Watachy

I don't fully agree with this statement.

The ninja basics are pretty easy and you will understand the basic rotation easily too.
Monk ain't that difficult to understand but is, in my opinion, the job that require the most skillcap out of the 3 melees DPS.

The difference between good and decent Monks is incredible in term of potency.

I enjoy both, my advice would be give a try to both and decide by yourself ;)

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The only reason why I believe Monk is easier than Ninja is solely based on the utilities Ninja applies. When I played Monk I never had to worry about anyone other than myself. Rotation never changed and positionals are easily hit majority of the time. When I play Ninja its not solely about myself anymore. I need to keep an eye on TP for Goad. Shadewalker or Smokescreen if enmity is becoming a problem. Whens the best time to use Trick Attack so the majority can benefit from it or it just feels like a waste. Also mudras can sometimes have a slight delay and become a problem if you arent looking.

If we were talking about rotations only then yeah Monk is slightly harder due to positionals. Im mostly speaking about the classes as a whole not just rotation. I guess what I was trying to say from before is that Ninja is harder to play at an optimal level than it is to play Monk. Now granted I just started playing Ninja alittle over a month ago so I could be wrong and just a boob.

OP Rogue is a lot of fun, when it was added i would main that class for a while then eventually maxed out PGL. In terms of ROG/Nin vs PGL/Mnk it beaks down to do you wanna be planted to deal a good amount of damage or the freedom to move and attack from almost any spot?
Rog/Nin are great for dodging attacks and even though it has some move you have to be in one spot to gain full damage you can still do a decent amount even if you have to move, there is also Throwing Dagger that is a nice long range.
As for Pgl/Mnk You have to be in one spot for most of it's combos. either behind at all times or to the side. It does however gain power up moves like Grease Lighting and all that makes it stronger. Problem is if you have to dodge a lot you lose those skills. I actually make a post about that whole thing on here not long ago.

Anyway both are really good but my personal opinion is to start with Rogue then switch to Pgl.

If you are going to purchase STORMBLOOD expansion. You should level Pugilist aka Monk. That way you can easily play Samurai as it will share gear with Monk. :D

If it's sharing it's gear there is a good chance Monk's cross skills will also be for SAM so that isn't a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Vorx

If it's sharing it's gear there is a good chance Monk's cross skills will also be for SAM so that isn't a bad idea.

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They're removing the cross-class system in favor of a role based one, so that's not really relevant (i.e. You won't need to have other classes leveled to get the abilities you need).

To the OP: I agree with leveling MNK if you're interested in Samurai because they share gear. I think MNK plays smoother than NIN, and it does more damage even with dodging attacks. Also playing MNK is like dancing due to the positionals.

NIN has more utility, less build up and more flexibility otherwise. Against a good MNK, you will do less damage but you have much more burst at the start too.