SE Please Return Alexander:Creator on Raid Finder

It literally makes no sense since there is no other raids being added in HW to remove creator from the raid finder.

One of the best features of Raid Finder is the ability to select Duty Competed / Duty Incomplete.

By moving it to the Duty finder you removed the ability and people try to sneak with bonuses and generally don't even try to queue via Duty Finder because they know there gonna be bonus people.

Also make 0 sense since fights like Thordan are still in Raid Finder.

I agree with this, yesterday I had probably one of the worse few hours of alexander. I spent a good 2hrs trying to farm a9s, to be fair when I'm free I join practice parties and help out, I never called anyone out for poor performance or lack of mechanics awareness. However my issue lies with people expecting to get carried, literally no effort to learn, listen to instructions or ask..

Getting hit my scrapline again and again, killing people with acid raid, declining raise, not tanking together during faust, BLM rotating between fire 1-2 and blizz 1-2. (despite instructions btw).

I would also like to see it return. I know people have to learn somewhere but Duty Completion was one of the best features of Raid Finder :(

Toi bad this thread aint gaining traction cause it not about glamours

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Originally Posted by LisannaTargaryen

Toi bad this thread aint gaining traction cause it not about glamours

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Oh come on now. Engaging in some kind of discussion, and then loudly proclaiming "wellllllll no one wants to discuss it because [x] reason" just makes you sound more hostile than you're probably intending to be.

No, people aren't immediately swarming into this thread to give you 20 pages worth of discussion within the first hour. Do you really think it's because glamours aren't the primary topic? Is there any kind of basis in that reasoning that isn't purely anecdotal?

i don't get it anyway why they remove the "old" raid from the raid finder, while putting the old ex primals in there...

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Originally Posted by Tint

i don't get it anyway why they remove the "old" raid from the raid finder, while putting the old ex primals in there...

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Apparently they do so like they did with Coil before, trying to push the Clear Rates for Future Relevant Content, probably beating Savage Creator might alter some Dialogues in the Main Story or in the next Raid?

Tho, you have a Point with the Primals... xD

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Originally Posted by Tint

i don't get it anyway why they remove the "old" raid from the raid finder, while putting the old ex primals in there...

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They do it purposely to avoid what the OP is asking for. They want people with experience to queue into it to help new players get their first clears. Removing loot and echo is basically the devs way of saying "we'll make it easier, but please help people clear." Let's face it, a lot of people won't take anyone with bonus, however they'll grudgingly accept it if queue times are fast enough.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

They do it purposely to avoid what the OP is asking for. They want people with experience to queue into it to help new players get their first clears. Removing loot and echo is basically the devs way of saying "we'll make it easier, but please help people clear." Let's face it, a lot of people won't take anyone with bonus, however they'll grudgingly accept it if queue times are fast enough.

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It kinda works in JP data center since most people come in knowing what to expect/do, even if they have bonuses, which is precisely why previous ex trials are farmable as soon as they got added into DF. Occasionally there are people going in blind expecting to get carried, though most of the time they at least know the fight. From what I've heard/read about NA/EU data centers' DF (practice in DF, clear/farm in PF) it probably doesn't work as well as it does here.

Then again regardless of that, it's weird to have old ex trials like thordan on RF while putting a12s on DF lol.

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Originally Posted by NoblePigeon

Oh come on now. Engaging in some kind of discussion, and then loudly proclaiming "wellllllll no one wants to discuss it because [x] reason" just makes you sound more hostile than you're probably intending to be.

No, people aren't immediately swarming into this thread to give you 20 pages worth of discussion within the first hour. Do you really think it's because glamours aren't the primary topic? Is there any kind of basis in that reasoning that isn't purely anecdotal?

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Nah wasnt to be snarky or anything else. It was sad to see only 2 replies since morning. At least my comment bumped it and some more people chimed in. But ye glamours etc gets tons of posts if you see today's activity alone. Tbh something that "affects" at max 5% of the playerbase and for some is a non-issue as well shouldnt be suprised. I just wish it got a dev responce why the made that choice.

It's fine the way it is. I won 8 runs of A12S yesterday.

I carried 4 people with bonus in different "farm party, no bonus" in a night. Atleast I got second chances for WT ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We need to know if there is a sneaky bonus, and also know who is the person.

I mean, personally I feel that raid finder serves no purpose now that we have cross-server party finder, and all the RF stuff should be put back into duty finder? I like to queue for several duties at a time to cut down on queue times, and having them separated out like this is very annoying.

Being able to tick a box that guarantees that no new people are allowed also hurts clear rates, since, at least on my data center, learning parties in PF are rarer than unicorns that crap gold, so your only real recourse to 'learn' is to try your luck on DF parties. It's a good thing I've been too busy with classes these last two semesters to care much, or I'd be really bitter about not having been able to even TRY to clear an EX primal since Ravana...

I'd be happy with all raids being in raid finder, or at the very least the last tier until the next tier is released. I am comfortable joining a first phase raid finder when it's my first time, but I'll more than likely mess up a clear or farm group if I get paired with them.

That Raid is now "old content" so it had been adjusted to let the casuals swarming there.

Raid finder is mainly "no bonus" and no one wants first timers, so it have been removed from there for a reason. Old ex primals, I guess it will be their turn soon.

My impression is, devs wants everyone on their i260+ when expansion hits.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

devs wants everyone on their i260+ when expansion hits.

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Not an argument. You can have full i270 without setting foot in savage.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

They want people with experience to queue into it to help new players get their first clears.

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I play on Elemental. When you're playing in a culture of "learn on PF, clear on RF", of course people will expect you to know what you're doing if you're queuing on pub. Putting Savage on DF is contradictory to the culture

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...48#post4092748

Translation from reddit:
We have no plans to put Creator Savage back in RF, but we plan on separating the Normal mode and Savage mode as different categories in DF, in order to prevent people from queueing for the wrong version of the fight by mistake.

Agreed.... did 12-14 a12s kills last night and bonus sneaked in a few times. Had to kick them.

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Originally Posted by Snat

I would also like to see it return. I know people have to learn somewhere but Duty Completion was one of the best features of Raid Finder :(

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Perhaps they should add that feature to Duty Finder then....

Cross Party Finder sort of killed the Raid Finder in a sense. But they really should get that Duty Complete flag working in XPF to prevent the sneaky bonus from joining, since that was a highlight of the RF flag, being able to queue with players with the same progression (no bonus only).

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Perhaps they should add that feature [duty completed] to Duty Finder then....

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In DF it makes no sense imo, because the meaning of DF is.. help players complete the duties?