That deleting someone from a friends list, leaves you on THEIR friends list, even months after the deletion? Not going to get into my personal business on here but I would think stalking is something SE wouldn\\'t condone. I don\\'t really enjoy being followed by people, and the fact blacklisting them doesn\\'t remove them is also a bit ridiculous.
Yes I understand that someone could do a player search, but a name change should sort of take care of it. This person has stalked me relentlessly on and off game, they have my PSN, Skype, etc.
I can take care of this out of game thankfully, but in game they are able to freely follow me around because they always know where I am, any time I log on.
Reporting does nothing because there is nothing against the TOS for "being in the same zone" as myself, even though it\\'s very evident what they are doing and have admitted to it OUTSIDE of game. Again, another loophole.
I know this person irl so it isn't random.
Is there a reason
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03-18-2017, 04:19 AMLaerad3993Is there a reason
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03-18-2017, 04:23 AMAstyraheven if you change your name, you are still on their friendlist because it tags it by ID number (maybe the lodestone id number?). anyway yeah, i agree with you on this, wishing that removing friends makes it a two way thing (by that, if you remove them, you also get removed from their end) just like how it is on most "friend" systems in others games/platforms/social networksQuote:
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03-18-2017, 04:28 AMLaerad3993That I did not know.... well I guess I'll have to deal with it until something changes. :|Quote:
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03-18-2017, 04:29 AMMicahZerrshia
Did you explain to a gm that you simply wanted to be removed from their friends list because of something they are doing outside of game that is making you feel unsafe?
You wouldn't think that ToS would have anything to do with that and they could simply delete you from their list if this is an issue. Not doing so could leave SE liable to some extent so I'm surprised they wouldn't.
Also if it is so severe you get a restraining order I believe that follows them into virtual worlds too. But I would check with the judge about it when its issued.
well SE did drop the ball on a lot of very simple fundamentals like this. Maybe because ARR was so rushed, but who knowsQuote:
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03-18-2017, 04:44 AMLaerad3993
I did. But there is no "in game proof" I'm being harassed, so it hasn't been pursued by them. Even though I have plenty of psn and Facebook screens proving them admitting to what they are doing to me. I just get a "we can't do anything outside the realm of XIV copy paste response. I quit playing regularly hoping it would stop, but as of this week it's just started back up full force. Outside the game I am most definitely pursuing a restraining order.
They are using this as a loophole to avoid being penalized in game, which they've also admitted to.
I'd server transfer but I'd lose my house my FC and all my gil. So I'm stuck with this. I've had to lock up both my fc and house. -
03-18-2017, 04:54 AMNixxeProbably not. It's normal, or at least was normal, for friend lists to function like that. WoW, for example, it still works like that if you use the ordinary friend list rather than RID or B.tag and it doesn't even require confirmation from the other person in the first place.Quote:
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03-18-2017, 04:56 AMDustytomeThey can just keep an eye on your lodestone profile and garner all the info they need. You change your name/server/etc it all changes with the id remaining the same.Quote:
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03-18-2017, 04:59 AMQuarIm
I fail to understand how they are any issue inside the game. Outside, yes. But inside?
Blacklist the person and ignore them? Unless you are an RPer, though.
But if you are not an RPer, why is blacklisting them and ignoring them mentally not enough?
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03-18-2017, 05:05 AMDarkSlayerGrimmYeah I was also surprised that this happens: I left a server for half a year then 2 fantasias later and a name change coming back to said server there were some previous friends who were like OH its _____ Hello again! then I realized the whole "you still appear on their friends-list" so THAT created a whole mess of awkward situations because YOU have a empty friendslist but YOU appear on certain peoples list still making a weird guessing game of who deleted you and who didnt :\Quote:
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03-18-2017, 05:05 AMShougunYou'll never escape me~! MuahahahahahahahaQuote:
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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1ZDzndjrDWM/hqdefault.jpg
^- this is a meme for anyone confused google "obsessive girlfriend meme"
While I have no one to hide from, the level of stalking people /could/ do is actually disturbing lol. Also, for those who change their name but haven't removed you from their friend's list I'd like to have a previous moniker button cause sometimes I just have to /tell and be like "who are you?".. its awkward lol.
While they're cleaning up the silly FC ranking system maybe they should change the friend list to not be omnipotent even when they don't want to be your friend anymore :P. Just add a warning that unlike blacklisting them, they'll actually know you unfriended them. -
03-18-2017, 05:05 AMLaerad3993Quote:
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I have done all this. I'm sorry you don't understand it, but maybe when you have a player sit in your house afk for hours at a time, or follow you from zone to zone, using the IN GAME PSN function that appears on your character screen to harass you offline, you'd probably get it. It's been happening for over a year. There is 0 protection against it because the TOS is so lenient with harassment to a degree, trust me, I've seen worse go on for YEARS before a Perma ban happened. They got to a point where I threatened to report it and took it offline to avoid being banned. I can't login without being followed around. GMS don't even read what I say. They see the words out of game and immediately my entire ticket is killed with a copy pasted reply. -
03-18-2017, 05:07 AMMicahZerrshia
Be sure to ask the judge about in-game harassment when you get the restraining order.
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03-18-2017, 05:07 AMLaerad3993
Or how about the multiple toons they make. So they can follow me on others? It's an annoyance. One I have a right to be upset about.
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03-18-2017, 05:08 AMShougunIf they know your forum name they can see your other characters (click someone's name and click view profile), but I don't think you can see other characters from the lodestone - I think.Quote:
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03-18-2017, 06:03 AMXerek
It's bad, since block works on a character and not an account. I've been stalked in-game before. Have someone that twice now has told people I was RPing with to "watch out for that one". First time she stalked me at a FC event, second was during Wintersday when we randomly crossed paths running the event. Don't underestimate the harassment someone can do without doing it directly to you.
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03-18-2017, 06:43 AMDustytomeDo not include anything to do with out of game issues then. The only thing they police is in game issues. I would report whatever it is they're doing that you feel is abusive in-game and through the psn (if utilizing the game to do it, I don't use the ps version so not sure what that's capable of). I would also contact Sony support in regards to harassment over PSN.Quote:
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03-18-2017, 06:59 AMAlerionWhile I don't have any real advice to offer beyond server transfer, I can appreciate how shitty that is. I had a similar situation happen some years ago in another game. I know it's easy for people to say it isn't a big deal but it gets insufferable when a game you once shared becomes something to be dreaded on a regular basis. I hope this person finds something else to obsess over soon or some action in taken in your favor, keep your chin up.Quote:
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03-18-2017, 07:03 AMQuarIm
Block them on psn?
Do not missunderstand me, I am genuine curious how they are harrasing you.
You have a serious problem that I just can not fathom.
So my questions and ponderings are not in the form of "omg, who cares, just ignore and go", but more of a " I do not understand, please enlighten me if you can".
Now, I understand that you got enough on your plate, so if you do not wish to explain a stupid person like me how all of this works, that is cool by me.
Why is someone sitting afk in your house a problem?
Is it not possible to lock the house? (I do not own a house, so no idea).
Do you not spend a lot of time in instances where they can not follow you?
Have you tried to get mobs to aggro them and watch them die over and over again?
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03-18-2017, 07:14 AMSendohJinYou can close your house to everyone but yourself but you can't lock out just 1 person.Quote:
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that's crazy that anyone has to do this to avoid another character.Quote:
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03-18-2017, 07:16 AMLaerad3993Exactly. I'm about 5700 hours invested into this game, my family, and the few friends I have left. If I have to leave, it's going to be permanent. If people can access lodestone, fine, let them. But they SHOULD NOT be able to have me added if I block them, which they do. I've even tested it myself with my wife, it works.Quote:
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What I think you're not seeing Quar, is that the player is HARASSING ME offline, while following in game doing harmless things that to a GM arent bannable. Hence me saying they are abusing a loophole, knowing the gms cannot touch them. I can avoid my social media, I can't avoid a player following me in game when they always know where I am, at all times because they still have me added. I am being taunted in a way, into reacting in game. Like as youre suggesting, aggroing mobs to them, or any other form of aggression that will then turn into ME being the bad guy.