During recent months (I'm not a long time player so it may have been happening a lot more often) I've noticed hunts being broadcast in different Hunt LS and people immediately arriving and pulling the mob so to rob the hunters arriving of any rewards. I know this causes player angst and, whilst I rarely miss out, I can understand the gaming frustration it causes. Just wondering if it might be possible to place a timer on hunt mobs (3 min for A & B, 5 min for S) that is set by the 1st person to spot it and to make it invulnerable for that period so to avoid the early pullers and allow sufficient time for people to attend?
[Suggestion] Hunt target A, B & S ranks timer?
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03-09-2017, 10:56 AMZaknaffien[Suggestion] Hunt target A, B & S ranks timer?
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03-09-2017, 11:03 AMDreggit
A lot of people use this which is not super accurate mind you but basically most hunts have a timer that peeps have a general understanding of and so when someone kills a hunt they record it there and the timer resets. Or that's how I've been to understand it. You can modify it to show your server by putting the name of your server instead of whatever is there
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03-09-2017, 11:08 AMDaikiKiyoshi
How about no. There is no such thing as early pulling and people need to get there in time to participate or get over it. If they get there and stand around forever and someone else comes along and pulls it because they were too busy twiddling their thumbs that's their own fault. Hunts are first come first serve open world content as in first person to attack. We don't need anyone being able to lock anything. It's bad enough people reset hunts already.
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03-09-2017, 01:45 PMaestevalThat's not what op was asking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreggit
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03-09-2017, 01:46 PMaestevalAnd in this case the op was requesting that the first come is allowed to set the time for when serving is allowed. It's not that different of a concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi
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03-09-2017, 01:48 PMaesteval
B ranks respawn after a few second and are solo content. There's no reason to include them in this request.
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03-09-2017, 02:31 PMVenoshockAbsolutely not, as daiki kiyoshi said there's no such thing as early pulling. Who gets to decide if a hunt is pulled early? How long should we wait? nobody gets to decide that. I got called an early puller after waiting exactly 11 minutes in sea of clouds for people to get to the far side of the map for sistuil or whatever its name is and even asked is anyone otw, no answer, but someone came as i pulled and then i got called an earlier puller and cussed out over /sh, wtf? I reported them and got news from people in their FC that they got suspended for 24 hours lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaknaffien
No, only entitled children refer to it as early pulling. Adults accept the fact that they weren't there when it was pulled (a.k.a late) and either move on and do something else or join a hunt party and actively look for a hunt mark or join/create a hunt linkshell.
Edit - now that i think about it, the only instance of 'early pulling' is if someone has specifically said they were on their way and someone pulls anyway. The person doing that will most likely get blacklisted by everyone there and if they carry on, they'll end up pissing the whole server off. That's their punishment. -
03-09-2017, 02:35 PMJunseiKei
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03-09-2017, 02:40 PMNixxe
While I don't support early pulling, the obvious takeaway from this is that if you value hunts, then prioritize them and don't just hope everyone who did make it a priority feels like waiting for you to finish whatever it is you're doing.
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03-09-2017, 03:02 PMlvlagmarinkMeh... I spawned bonnacon and waited for 5 mins before pulling it, and yet somebody still called me as an early puller because there is always someone that's daydreaming in some far away lands.. and the drama did not stop at that hunt, these bunch of players decided to badmouth my name when I joined a pf and asked the leader to kick me because I was a "verified early puller"..Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaknaffien
When someone is late in the hunt, they are by no means have a right to be angry if they don't get the reward. -
03-09-2017, 03:09 PMBigRed5392no such thing as early pulling. People call out hunts to be nice, no one has any obligation to call out hunts. Waiting for people to gather is also being nice, as again no one has an obligation to wait. Also note that people are not/should not be forced to wait forever as people do form hunt trains to kill off all As that are up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaknaffien
If you ever played any ff11, my G/f would tell you: hnm were cut throat, so be lucky people wait at all in ff14. A lot of fighting happen in ff11 over hnm bots claiming the mobs while the group gets ready. Only that group was allowed to kill it, and get the reward. Most of them was under a 24-78 hour timer, and a few were needing for Must get gear for certain jobs. -
03-09-2017, 03:12 PMBigRed5392op is complaining about early pulling. Which doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by aesteval
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03-09-2017, 03:19 PMBloody
Early pulling is the concept of pulling a hunt mob without giving a reasonable amount of time for immediate responders to teleport in and arrive. It is a real thing, but it is entirely a social construct. As JunseiKei posted, hunts are open world content, and are treated as such by the GM teams. Some people are more polite than others when it comes to pulling mobs.
What I see as the real issue, which results in many people getting super pissed and blaming early pullers (even though they waited 5 minutes, easily enough time to get to any hunt on a map), is slow response time. I belong to an awesome linkshell that posts as soon as things are found, and many members have macros that spam all of their hunt LS's simultaneously to limit response lag. At the same time, I know there are many other hunt LS's that people manually repost to as they notice calls, without considering the time delay, which causes people to be late to hunts. A good hunt LS makes a world of difference. -
03-10-2017, 05:16 AMZaknaffien
As I said, not a long time player... So why have LS and not just form a Hunt Squad and stuff everyone else? If you're going to broadcast a hunt and, as a result the person who early pulls uses your find for his/her own benefit that's okay? Then you may as well make your own team and not broadcast so that they miss out as well as everyone else? 3 - 5 min timer is not a huge wait period especially when you've been waiting hours for a mob to pop. It was only a [suggestion] and could be implemented by placing a timer markers on the mob.
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03-10-2017, 05:55 AMClaviusnex
I think announcing and waiting is a courtesy not a requirement. Personally I would prefer if everyone was courteous but accept not all are. For those who aren't karma has a way of balancing everything out. If I'm on the way to a ranked NPC and miss it big deal it's not like it won't pop up again later.
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03-10-2017, 06:19 AMKosmos992kQuote:
Originally Posted by Zaknaffien
This has been argued so many times before. There is no such thing as early pulling. Hunting is a competitive activity, if you find a hunt, you are just as eligible to kill it as anyone else, so if you and your party can handle it, attack at will. If you want to wait for friends and some other group turns up and pulls, there's nothing you can do and no point being pissed. -
03-10-2017, 02:39 PMClethoriaReminds me of Yoshi's response to players asking about Eos (or maybe it was Egi?) getting knocked back and an auto pathfinder back to the player. His response being Do your job and git gud.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi
A friend and I will often take on A ranks just cause we can. Is it an early pull if the thing just so happens to spawn right next to me or aggros cause it's directly in the area of a quest NPC? I think not. There is no early pull factor on general mobs, and I find that Hunt targets are the same. Seek and destroy. Not seek, sit for half an hour with a thumb up your butt because someone cries over being late.