SAMURAI AND RED MAGE RELICS

What I like to do is having an interesting conversation on the potential relics these two particular roles may have and what names would you go with for them.

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I definitely think we'll see 'Joyeuse' as a potential relic for Red Mage, or at least as a potential Red Mage weapon, if not purely for the nostalgia factor of those who played Red Mage in FFXI.

As for the other ones, it's hard to say. In most previous Final Fantasy games there aren't many swords that are 'Red Mage' only that I can think of. And many iconic sword names (e.g Excalibur, Ragnarok, Apocalypse, Ultima Weapon) are already in use.

I don't know much about Samurai in previous games, but I can definitely see them going with Murasama or Masamune for at least one of the relics

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Originally Posted by Connor

I definitely think we'll see 'Joyeuse' as a potential relic for Red Mage, or at least as a potential Red Mage weapon, if not purely for the nostalgia factor of those who played Red Mage in FFXI.

As for the other ones, it's hard to say. In most previous Final Fantasy games there aren't many swords that are 'Red Mage' only that I can think of. And many iconic sword names (e.g Excalibur, Ragnarok, Apocalypse, Ultima Weapon) are already in use.

I don't know much about Samurai in previous games, but I can definitely see them going with Murasama or Masamune for at least one of the relics

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I'd have to agree on the Murasame sword for Samurai and possible Masamune. Hopefully the steps needed to get these potential relics aren't to tedious

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Originally Posted by Xenos88

Hopefully the steps needed to get these potential relics aren't to tedious

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With the feedback from the 2.0/3.0 relic questlines combined, I'm sure they'll now able to develop a 4.0 relic questline that's much more fun to do than it has been.

Also, this just came to mind, but I do remember that the Enhancer is a sword from previous FF's that really fits with Red Mage in that it increases both physical and magic damage. It doesn't sound quite as glamorous as most relic names do though, but I think we can at least expect one of Red Mage's weapons to be the Enhancer.

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Originally Posted by Connor

With the feedback from the 2.0/3.0 relic questlines combined, I'm sure they'll now able to develop a 4.0 relic questline that's much more fun to do than it has been.

Also, this just came to mind, but I do remember that the Enhancer is a sword from previous FF's that really fits with Red Mage in that it increases both physical and magic damage. It doesn't sound quite as glamorous as most relic names do though, but I think we can at least expect one of Red Mage's weapons to be the Enhancer.

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I just remembered something Yoshi P stated in a interview that their goal for the relics were to take place in a forest or something to that extent. Hopefully we get to hear more about it in the coming months.

We're getting a Chicken Knife as a glamour, so maybe a Brave Blade as a Relic?

Chirijiraden is another possibility for the samurai relic weapon but I do believe Masamune and the cursed Muramasa are much more likely to be seen as they are more well-known.

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Originally Posted by Connor

I definitely think we'll see 'Joyeuse' as a potential relic for Red Mage, or at least as a potential Red Mage weapon, if not purely for the nostalgia factor of those who played Red Mage in FFXI.

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Lore-wise, that's not possible though I'm afraid, as Joyeuse has already been referred to in-game as one of the three legendary swords wielded by the founding PLD members of Uldah's Sultansworn - the others being Durandal and Curtana (the latter naturally is the PLD relic the player gains), with the 2015 Little Ladies Day event showing that all three are virtually identical in appearance to each other, if the figurines in that event are to be believed (also presumably that means the Curtana-copy Solkzagyl wields in the PLD Job quests is either Joyeuse or Durandal):

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Originally Posted by Little Ladies' Day Event 2015

Well-schooled Steward (when asking about the first row of dolls that depict three PLDs): "The first row displays life-size recreations of the three legendary Sultansworn known collectively as the first paladins. Of particular interest are the blades that they brandish."
Well-schooled Steward: "Three blades forged from the same steel, each one bestowed to the three great warriors who would attend the Royal House by the hand of Sasagan Ul Sisigan, first of his name and founder of our nation."
Well-schooled Steward: "Curtana, Joyeuse, Durandal... Eras have passed, monarchs have risen and fallen, but the legends of these blades-and the men who did wield them-live on to this very day."

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So because of this, I doubt even PLD will ever see Joyeuse and Durandal I'm afraid, let alone as a RDM weapon, it will forever be 'lost' as part of the lore, or only wielded by a npc.

Also using the term 'relic' for RDM and SAM is somewhat redundant as they won't even have relic, which was for the original 1.0/ARR Jobs only - same as MCH, AST and DRK did not get relic either but anima weapons. It's highly likely then that RDM and SAM will instead only gain a weapon from the new elite weapon questline planned for Stormblood accordingly.

It will obviously be a sword and then that crystal ball thing that the red mage was holding in the fanfest video. As far as rdm legendary weapons it might be possible that they share one with another class? Or perhaps a hybrid or two classes? PLD/AST?? Lol.. rdm has always borrowed from other classes as a hybrid "jack of all trades" so to speak so who knows what they are going to do with that. Sam will most likely end up with masamune.

On topic, Ama-no-murakumo stands out as something I'd like to see SAM receive in some regard and for RDM I think I'd like to see Murgleis perhaps or even the Atma sword from VI since the blue glowing blade strikes me as fitting contrast.

Somewhat diverging from the topic, I was discussing this with a friend that one thing that bothers me is the idea of RDM and SAM missing 2 sets of artifact gear and respective weapons. If they start at 50 I think it would be nice if they were given a set of artifact gear to solidify the image, with a weapon that is fittingly iconic to them without being something we view as a "this should be an endgame weapon" in terms of looks or name. This idea spawned from all the previous artifact sets we've received and the knowledge that we skipped lv50 for MCH DRK and AST (which I also would argue need a "lower level" artifact set for nothing but glamour reasons, because glams are life) leading me to be a bit morose at the idea of missing the opportunity for more job specific armor to glamour for these two.

RDM will likely get Murgleis http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20080502140807

I agree. RDM and SAM, if starting at level 50 should be given their AF for their 52-60 job quests. The AF4 gear for all jobs will likely be the new Philosophy/Esoterics.

I'm more interested in what the EX primal ones will look like.

Ramuh's will be an electric katana (Metal Gear Rising!)

Thordan's is going to glow bright white and emit little white sparks!

Our relic, I hope it's unique. I'd like a glow effect where it creates glowing afterimages when swung.

The Samurai relic shall be known as Chunchunmaru.

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Originally Posted by Tracewood

Ramuh's will be an electric katana (Metal Gear Rising!)

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Well great. Now I'm gonna have to grind Ramuh EX when Stormblood hits. Thanks for that.
Also noticed that one of SAM's animations is the same wipe-through-clenched-elbow-sleeve cleaning motion that Raiden does...

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Originally Posted by Tracewood

I'm more interested in what the EX primal ones will look like.

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The Garuda rapier will probably look the most elegant.

For SAM they could use Murakumo or kusanagi sword, for the RDM they can reference many swords from Arthurian era or even name one "Silver Chariot".... BRAVO!!! (JoJo no kimiyou na bouken reference)

I know I am going to put a lot of time on both, but mainly SAM

For Samurai may as well be Masamune ( Honjo Masamune ) would seem the most obvious one in my opinion, like Heavensward it's likely it will be obtained from new expansion. I would actually like to see it as an Anima but doubt it. For Red Mage I would like to see the mythical rapier Nemesis.

SAM:
Amanomurakumo (Ame-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi ) ?
Kogarasumaru
Masamune

RDM:
Murgleis
Almace (bring up Durendal and not this?)

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

SAM:
Amanomurakumo (Ame-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi ) ?
Kogarasumaru
Masamune

RDM:
Murgleis
Almace (bring up Durendal and not this?)

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I think they would use some names that most of their NA/EU player base can at least pronounce lol, but it does sound good tho.

Don't forget the Soboro Sukehiro! It occasionally attacks 2-3 times!

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Almace (bring up Durendal and not this?)

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It's not being brought up, because it's already in the game as a PLD relic.

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Originally Posted by Connor

With the feedback from the 2.0/3.0 relic questlines combined, I'm sure they'll now able to develop a 4.0 relic questline that's much more fun to do than it has been.

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And the massive slap in the face WoW artifact weapon did to SE. Pretty much FF system but 10x better.
I hope SB brings us an ever better relic weapon system. With lots of story and customization.