Excess Tomestones

Could we see a change so that excess Tomestones do not just magically melt into the air?

Say you've hit the weekly cap of 450/450. You do an Expert run and that's 90 Tomestones of Scripture that just up and vanish. Thin air. Can we see a change where those 90 excess Tomestones of scripture become 180 Tomestones of Lore? Say you're capped on Lore, they become 360 Tomestones of Esoterics. Capped on Esoterics? 720 Poetics. Capped on Poetics too? 1,440 Gil.

Just hate seeing them wasted, especially for those who are trying to do the tomestone grinds for their relics/anima.

As someone who's been working on umbrites for the last 56 years, I approve this idea!

Just to kind of clarify, the idea is that this would be automatic. So if you're capped on Scripture, and go do Vath Dailies, no more, "You've reached your cap for the week, do you want to complete this quest," prompt. Instead it'd just automatically convert it from 15 scripture to 30 Lore. Or whatever the numbers are, I didn't pay too close attention since I don't really focus on that as a means of getting Scripture to begin with. EX roulette is the way to go.

I don't think they'd ever do something like this because it'd stagnant other content that rewards Lore. It decreases the value of any roulette, any dungeon, any type of reward that gives only Lore because you can obtain it through expert.

I'd kind of like to see a tomestone "rollover" system where extra tomes you accumulate goes into a pool that can applied towards the cap of future weeks. This way you don't feel pressure to always log in to hit the cap every week and you can play at your own pace without being punished for it.

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Originally Posted by AkashiXI

I don't think they'd ever do something like this because it'd stagnant other content that rewards Lore. It decreases the value of any roulette, any dungeon, any type of reward that gives only Lore because you can obtain it through expert.

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I hadn't quite considered it that way, good point. That said, I don't think that's necessarily true, because if you have 2,000/2,000 lore, it would then become Esoterics, which can also be used to buy a few things, namely, items needed for those working on their anima/relics. 300 Tomestones gets you an Umbrite, for example. Well, 300 Esoterics also get you an Umbrite. If anything this idea would increase people's inclination to do Lore-rewarding content because they'd be able to invest Esoterics into their anima/relic weapons. If you would get, say, 50 Lore from a dungeon or doing Gundu Beast Tribe Quests, and you were capped on lore, you'd get 100 Esoterics.

Just keep the automatic turn-over below a certain benchmark, e.g. x% conversion. If you could gain all scripts you needed from a level 60 roulette, it should be superior for combined acquisition. If you could gain all scripts you need from a level 60 roulette and a trial, assuming instant queues and no wipes, those should be more time efficient for gaining scripts + lore than the Expert roulette. The conversion should be a silent consolation, never a system of "one method gives all".

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Just keep the automatic turn-over below a certain benchmark, e.g. x% conversion. If you could gain all scripts you needed from a level 60 roulette, it should be superior for combined acquisition. If you could gain all scripts you need from a level 60 roulette and a trial, assuming instant queues and no wipes, those should be more time efficient for gaining scripts + lore than the Expert roulette. The conversion should be a silent consolation, never a system of "one method gives all".

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Yeah, I never meant for it to be a case of getting more than one kind of tomestone or such. Simply that the higher the Tomestone is, the more valued, depending how far down it goes.

So a Tomestone of Scripture is:
2x as valuable as a Lore (1 Scripture = 2 Lore)
4x as valuable as an Esoteric (1 Scripture = 4 Esoteric)
8x as valuable as a Poetic (1 Scripture = 8 Esoteric)
16x as valuable as a Gil (1 Scripture = 16 Gil)

Admittedly the last one is probably not as valuable as it could be, but its better than nothing.

But as you go down the list, the values remain consistent. So a Tomestone of Lore is twice as Valuable as a Tomestone of Esoterics, and 4x as valuable as a tomestone of Poetics.

While I agree, those numbers are ridiculously too high & would make 50 content near obselete. Just 90 is fine. 90 lore, 90 poetics, or 1000 gil.

people (including myself) have asked for this since i90 was the level cap. i've given up because the devs are not going to cheapen other currency types by allowing a conversion.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

I'd kind of like to see a tomestone "rollover" system where extra tomes you accumulate goes into a pool that can applied towards the cap of future weeks. This way you don't feel pressure to always log in to hit the cap every week and you can play at your own pace without being punished for it.

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Or they could put it the other way around and, say if you don't cap this week, for example 440/450, next week's reset your cap will be at 460 (+10 from last week) up to a max of 2000 -> which drops down to 450 from previous limit if you managed to cap. That way few people would be less stressed about rushing to cap from reset if they didnt have time that week but expect to have alot of time the next week.

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

While I agree, those numbers are ridiculously too high & would make 50 content near obselete. Just 90 is fine. 90 lore, 90 poetics, or 1000 gil.

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Not necessarily. If anything its a chance to revitalize 50 content (and soon, 60 content) by updating those roulettes to reward the 2nd most current tomestone (which would be Lore right now). Do that and you'd find people running those quite a bit more often I imagine.

I'd still prefer to see any daily/weekly caps gone in favour of monthly. It allows for more varied gameplay, rather than the schedule of "have to do A, B, C today or will lose X, Y Z". Nothing stopping people from sticking to the same schedule if they like, but better for those that can't log in every day, or are travelling for a week or so, or just like to mix it up - spend a day crafting, then another doing some beast tribes, another collecting lore, or farming whatever. The caps won't change, it would just be more flexible and player-friendly.

The caps are in place to keep you coming back every week. People talking about "the stress of trying to cap" may need to take a break from the game for a bit. This shouldn't be stressing. You can cap by only doing expert roulette once a day. Not a lot of time or effort there. I'm usually all about QoL improvements bit this just seems like people are asking for a handout.

Why every week? The subscriptions are monthly. How is doing the same amount of work for the same reward, a "handout"? How is expecting to get some kind of reward for the content you do a "handout"?. I'm not one that stresses and just does whatever I feel like - sometime cap tomes, sometimes not. sometimes cap scrips, sometimes not. I'm not losing sleep over it. The silly part is you get people that put in the same hours - just not on a strictly daily/weekly basis - end up with less reward for it.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

Why every week? The subscriptions are monthly.

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Good luck with queue times if the cap was monthly. There are usually 2 types of people. Those who get their goal completed waay ahead of time and those who wait till the last second. This would make weeks 2 and 3 very unfun (especially for dps roles). While weeks 1 and 4 of said month would probably be very busy.

I guess I don't have an issue with "losing scrips/tomes". When I cap with my fighting class I switch to gathering and then crafting. When the week is done I feel very fulfilled because I covered all the bases to their fullest and then I moved on.

you're assuming everyone would want to cap a particular thing in a particular order, or indeed want to do everything at once before moving onto the next thing. Some might, sure, but some won't. If it's more flexible, there's less pressure to do it NOW. "Weeklies" already skew queue times anyway - the queue times are much shorter beginning of the week than at the end. Plus, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from keeping to your regular schedule if you like it that way. I don't mind the weekly caps so much as it does give you some flexibility at least - but the daily ones really need to go.