[Dev Request] Would it be possible to implement a token system for dungeon weapons?

It might be presumptuous for me to assume, but if the dungeons in Stormblood take after the Heavensward dungeons then we might expect to see weapons drop at the end of the leveling and post game dungeons. But with the addition of SAM and RDM jobs, the problem that we already have with weapon drops in Heavensward dungeons will only worsen with the new job weapons added to the rotation. I am sure that there had been players, such as myself, that have leveled several jobs through these dungeons without seeing a specific weapon drop.

So I would like to request the devs to implement a token system for the Heavenward and upcoming dungeons that are to drop weapons in Stormblood, much like what we have now for the Extreme trials.

Some may argue that implementing a system would remove the seasoned players from assisting players that are leveling their jobs in the duty finder, but the presence of the token system would present itself with the incentive to run these dungeons again. Since even if the weapon they desired did not drop at the end of the dungeon, there's always the assurance that they can still get the weapon with the tokens.

I thought my luck on drops was due to change with this patch, but I'm having horrible luck on Baelsar's Wall and Dun Scaith pieces that I wanted. Weeks pass by and I don't see the pieces I want ever, but I've seen certain unwanted pieces several times over.

Ok, I will offer up an idea. Instead of tokens, which some people are getting tired of having so many, how about they let the us craft copies of the dungeon gear, either by using unique materials gained by desynthing any gear from that dungeon, or by adding a sort of blueprint material to the loot pool, like how Coil has aetherstone materials used to craft replica gear.

A much better option, IMO, would simply increase the number of weapons that (potentially) drop. Just increase the chance to 2-3 instead of just one.

A token system doesn't make much sense since you will be replacing the weapon almost immediately. Leveling gear isn't very useful for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

A much better option, IMO, would simply increase the number of weapons that (potentially) drop. Just increase the chance to 2-3 instead of just one.

A token system doesn't make much sense since you will be replacing the weapon almost immediately. Leveling gear isn't very useful for the most part.

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yeah, but some them look cool lol.

I actually just leveled my WAR from 50 to 60, mostly in dungeons. Guess how many axes dropped in that time.

Zero.

None.

No axes.

I was using my 130 poetics weapon the entire time.

I don't think a token system makes a lot of sense just because of how fast you outgrow a particular dungeon, but can we drop more gear and fewer clear prisms?

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Originally Posted by Callinon

I don't think a token system makes a lot of sense just because of how fast you outgrow a particular dungeon, but can we drop more gear and fewer clear prisms?

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I think for leveling dungeons this might be a good idea. While the game needs to control how fast people can gear up, in leveling dungeons you don't really stop running them when you get gear so much as when you can move on to the next dungeon and/or no longer need experience. Because of this, it's not really a problem if people can gear up quickly in sub-cap dungeons and each boss doesn't need to drop a full set of gear, it probably wouldn't hurt to make sure each chest drops a piece, perhaps with some even guaranteed to drop weapons, the gear with the narrowest use.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

I actually just leveled my WAR from 50 to 60, mostly in dungeons. Guess how many axes dropped in that time.

Zero.

None.

No axes.

I was using my 130 poetics weapon the entire time.

I don't think a token system makes a lot of sense just because of how fast you outgrow a particular dungeon, but can we drop more gear and fewer clear prisms?

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While leveling dungeons might then unintentionally further outpace crafting and FATEs (for the few levels GC gear is relevant, ha), I can't say that'd be a bad direction to go in.
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@OP:
Alternatively though, why use a token/totem system? Why not just have tomes that are leveling-relevant, each dungeon giving and its gear costing more than the next, purchased from some scavenger outside the dungeon entrance, to whom you can also cash in dungeon gear that one of your classes can equip for extra tomes (roughly half its price)? Or, give some overlap to the dungeon "currency" dropped, such as the garlean coins before (but for which cashing for regular gil would only be a last resort now).

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

@OP:
Alternatively though, why use a token/totem system? Why not just have tomes that are leveling-relevant, each dungeon giving and its gear costing more than the next, purchased from some scavenger outside the dungeon entrance, to whom you can also cash in dungeon gear that one of your classes can equip for extra tomes (roughly half its price)? Or, give some overlap to the dungeon "currency" dropped, such as the garlean coins before (but for which cashing for regular gil would only be a last resort now).

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The reason I brought up a token/totem system is that having each dungeon a unique token/totem would give the players more reason to return to that specific dungeon, rather than relying on something more universal like tomes, so that there'd be a healthy supply of players assisting those needing to level in that same instance. So that even if a player had outleveled the dungeon they'd have some motivation to return and run it again to grab the token if they still desired to obtain the weapon that they were unable to get during leveling. Essentially, it's to make the weapons more readily available to obtain, but not so much that it kills the flow of outleveled players running that dungeon for the gear.

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Originally Posted by Rydux

The reason I brought up a token/totem system is that having each dungeon a unique token/totem

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Make your token a quest object and not added to my inventory and im all in !

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Originally Posted by Rydux

The reason I brought up a token/totem system is that having each dungeon a unique token/totem would give the players more reason to return to that specific dungeon, rather than relying on something more universal like tomes, so that there'd be a healthy supply of players assisting those needing to level in that same instance. So that even if a player had outleveled the dungeon they'd have some motivation to return and run it again to grab the token if they still desired to obtain the weapon that they were unable to get during leveling. Essentially, it's to make the weapons more readily available to obtain, but not so much that it kills the flow of outleveled players running that dungeon for the gear.

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I guess that's where we don't quite see eye to eye. I don't think players should typically have to run outleveled dungeons for their gear, let alone go another 3 times just to be able to pull a single item out of the grind while their friend has already gotten 4 pieces. The totem/token system is last resort mitigation for RNG. That may vary with cost, from the 99 totems for a (~.7% DR) bird to 10 for a (7.7% DR) weapon, but it's only ever aided the bare minimum as a pity prize. If something's to be created to aid leveling gear consistency, it should aim to do so intuitively and with appreciable steps within the leveling rate.

I think the reason why we haven't seen them, and likely not to, is because they don't want people to not run certain dungeons. If you stock up everything from that dungeon, you aren't going to go back to grind for the other pieces.

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Originally Posted by Rydux

Some may argue that implementing a system would remove the seasoned players from assisting players that are leveling their jobs in the duty finder, but the presence of the token system would present itself with the incentive to run these dungeons again. Since even if the weapon they desired did not drop at the end of the dungeon, there's always the assurance that they can still get the weapon with the tokens.

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It's not an argument, it's fact. People will stop running an EX Primal once they have all weapons/better weapons and the bird. They might help a person with bonus, but running it again will reward them nothing of value... and people who play MMOs love having items that have value so they'll run the content for the valuable piece.

It can be like with the dungeon tokens for ilevel 90 AF 1.5 gear.
You open a chest, roll on the weapon token (everyone can roll Need), bring it to one of Rowena's employee and choose the weapon you want

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I think the reason why we haven't seen them, and likely not to, is because they don't want people to not run certain dungeons. If you stock up everything from that dungeon, you aren't going to go back to grind for the other pieces.

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There are still tomes