Wintrading in Light Party - Primal

Hi,

I really hate to make posts like this, I tried to make one calling these specific players out at the beginning of the season, but was banned for it. As many of you know my team has been legitimately trying to get first place as a team on Primal this season. We have fought many other legitimate teams who deserve to be on the top 30 of the Light Party leaderboards. Black week is coming up and those teams that have gotten there legitimately are starting to get kicked off the leader boards by unsavory means.

Right now there is a team that is queuing up at 5:00am in the morning against friends to farm LP points. They are not accepting queues from other teams, and they are blatantly exploiting the system. These players DO NOT deserve the rewards that the other players on the top 30 have worked hard to obtain. These are the same players whom I posted about prior, and got banned for. Some of these players were the same ones who were able to get 800 points against each other in the first day of the season starting.

I ask SE not to ban me for this post this time, and to actually take action. I also ask for SE to remove LP rewards in the future to have players like this not ruin the sanctity of our competition. There is a pinned post by a mod saying that you take things like this seriously (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...pt-PvP-Matches) so please take it seriously.

http://imgur.com/v6CPUx4.jpg

[02-19-17] More evidence of them trying to get into queue together:
http://imgur.com/rohS2n4.jpg

[02-20-17] Happening against at 7am est, logged into the server in question and the players in the screenshot were in queue:
http://imgur.com/TUbSIiD.jpg

[2-20-17][9:20am pst]One of the team members fell asleep policing queue, right as they fell asleep all of the players in question started logging in their home datacenter..... Wonder what is about to happen....

[2-20-17][9:25am pst]Oh they are all in a party now.... hahahaha, [Make me a GM please]

[2-22-2017] [11:20 am pst] Found the team they are wintrading against, they happen to be in the same server and in the same FC

I would also like to state that it is VERY frustrating to try and provide solid evidence and/or proof regarding win trading in Light Party. There is nothing we can do other than to report that there are some teams that do not accept queue if them and the 7 other players they are playing with are all in the same game together.

I can hear it. Can you hear it? The ever increasing noise of hooves as the PVP White Knights ride towards this discussion to tell you that cheating doesn't occur, ESPECIALLY on Primal, & it never effects the ranking even if it does...

Prepare for their arrival, they'll appear en masse to tell you just how wrong you are. Factual proof isn't enough, they always know they're right. They can even tell you your own mind & know that you're a liar if you say you know people who have stopped playing due to cheats. Nobody has ever stopped playing PVP, nope, nobody ever!

;P

My idea to reduce win trading and boosting would be to disable the option to withdraw from a queue in PvP matches.

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Originally Posted by BloodLines

My idea to reduce win trading and boosting would be to disable the option to withdraw from a queue in PvP matches.

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It might help, but I doubt there's hordes of other people queuing on Primal at 5 AM in the morning to really put a kibosh on it. Win traders might have to throw one or two legitimate matches, but they'll still get into plenty with their booster goon squad and we'll still have this problem. It'll just take longer.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

It might help, but I doubt there's hordes of other people queuing on Primal at 5 AM in the morning to really put a kibosh on it.

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Meanwhile, every legitimate player would more or less have to cancel queue whenever they go AFK in order to not risk a free loss.

Plus, even in the higher traffic environment of solo queue, some players from Faerie apparently seem quite successful at wintrading and that's just the more recent news, it's not like this issue is anything new. We had wintraders in Triple Triad Tournaments, the Fold (PvP exp farming) and Lord of Verminion Tournaments, of course they'd be in the Feast as well, both solo and party.

The only way to truly "prevent" it is to either increase the player pool so much that even at off hours it's not feasible or not give people a reason to do it in the first place. The prior is unrealistic, the latter can't happen because politics. As such, the issue will most likely be perpetual.

A legitimate team was sitting in queue for hours tonight, another team showed up and kept testing to see if the queues were "safe". They never accepted a game. Why is this hard to track down? I don't understand. It is pretty blatantly obvious when one team only fights one other team the entire season.

Going to bump this again because it is happening more. The players logged into the server in question and the players in question were in queue. I am not sure what GM investigations are like, but I would really like to know the process. As normal players, I feel like the community has come together to get enough information to crucify these wintraders. I will be very upset if I see them in top 30 at the end of black week....

Just remove LP rewards if you can't police it SE.

They could also restrict ranked PvP during those off hours. But for Light Party where there is low traffic around the clock, I don't see that helping much there. Being unable to withdraw from a queue that has popped makes more sense to me. It's not hard to be at your computer when you are readying for a duty and withdraw if you will be away...

GM investigation goes like this:

>check accused players chatlog for day of the report

"Welp, he didn't explicitly say in chat that he had the intention to cheat. No case here boys."

>community in uproar over cheaters not being dealt with

"Just report them guys SE knows how to handle it."

I experienced exactly what you are explaining today. Being in the UK & playing on Primal I often see things that happen 'out of hours'. Today I was on to my third 8v8 when I noticed that someone was deliberately throwing the matches to lose (it was my 3rd match with them, won first match against, lost next two with). They were basically doing stuff that even the most inexperienced person wouldn't do. An analogy in PvE would be that after the first time you ran past a lvl45 mob as a lvl15 character you quickly understood that levels matter & didn't do it again. The things they were doing served only to throw a match.

I decided to go & watch TV rather than take part in stuff like that. It did mean that I missed out on time I had free for PVP but throwing games & the constant 15/16 *drop*... 15/16 *drop* rubbish just wasn't worth the annoyance. It comes to something when even unranked Feast has cheats. -_-

I don't think PvP in this game should be treated seriously anymore. Blatant and unpunished (=encouraged) Wintrading + Garo clown fiesta + Chat disabled = a big joke. Even those legit pvpers who are not wintrading in Light Party are still exploiting failed rating system by carrying unrated players for higher score, otherwise they get only +5 per win. It's like the more unfair you are, the better you'll be rewarded. Pack Hellhound will be a mount of shame. Nice job, SE!

I don't understand why they can't just tie it to # of wins like, you know, every other pvp mount in this game.

If they can't fix cheating, just remove the rewards.

Just caught the team they are wintrading against... What do you know, they are in the same FC and the primary wintrading team is in a party trying to get queues against them... How is this not evidence enough for a ban? We know who they are trading against, we know they are trading, so do something about it.

Looks like the blatant wintraders aren't on the leaderboard, either the community policed it well enough or SE did something. I do wish they did something before season end though. It would be nice to get an update about wintraders like they update us with RMT people.