Please make fate leveling viable again in Stormblood

Although I enjoy palace of the dead and dungeons... I really miss fate leveling. I think potd along with the low exp awarded for heavenwards fates has made fates as leveling tools really fall out of favor outside of a few zones. Fate leveling back in the day was pretty op, I know. And I'm not saying to go back to that... but if the alternative is the no mans zone that heavenward areas are now, I'd take that again instead. Especially wth the awesome choco change made last patch I wold love to kick back for some fate grinding again!
Please consider it :cool:

After the Yokai event, it might be hard for a chunk of the player base to even think about a FATE xD

And even if they do, you would hear the groaning from here. ^^

Sorry but after Yokai, it semi killed it. Also I've found out as more people fate grind the less they know their job. Seems basics just goes out the window.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Sorry but after Yokai, it semi killed it. Also I've found out as more people fate grind the less they know their job. Seems basics just goes out the window.

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Yeah and the first 50 floors of potd really helps someone learn their class, lol. It's so much NOT like regular instances it's rediculous. Running floors, single pulling mobs, possibly without heals and tanks. Probably spamming one attack not needing to use cd's, aggro managment isnt even considered. You get the point.

I agree, "Make FATES great again!"

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

Yeah and the first 50 floors of potd really helps someone learn their class, lol. It's so much NOT like regular instances it's rediculous. Running floors, single pulling mobs, possibly without heals and tanks. Probably spamming one attack not needing to use cd's, aggro managment isnt even considered. You get the point.

I agree, "Make FATES great again!"

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PoD I see it more like team building skill, I don't find XP from PoD to be worth it. I's nice people want to perhaps use it to build Kianna weps, farm tomes, and test their solo skills, other than that and soloing it for title not worth it. Everyone has a style it's how you use it. Fates on the other hand, if your farming for old relics such atmas, by all means. To depend on them however... yeah nice one. Restrict fates or make them worth while? Special gear perhaps like the Odin item drops but gives us a reason to farm them. I can agree to something along those lines, yet don't nerf them make it an actual grind. As for the first 50 floors of PoD ? should be a lot harder. You can be under gear and that wouldn't matter being the stats are based on something else. I think your missing the point of PoD. It's a nice glimpse at higher actions, over all is a way for people to enjoy some competition as well as get some nice weps. Take into consideration, that most are to lazy to farm tomes, do raids, or focus on relics. Kiana weps are 255 so somewhat decent for current content. Maybe they will go further? who knows next step 99/99 and maybe make it a 270-265? PoD is a nice way to give the cup cake generation an easy weapon in my opinion without having to depend too much on others. As a relic holder I just use it for tome farming and achievements. What do fates really give you? Run around, depending quest some items, and perhaps a way to kill time between queues. By the way now you can have choco out while waiting so most can be solo.

I miss the buzzing around Fates too. I created a topic about it a little than one month ago: Fates and Open-world liveliness

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Originally Posted by Chocolys

I miss the buzzing around Fates too. I created a topic about it a little than one month ago: Fates and Open-world liveliness

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Ah I've bee off the forums for a bit I'll check t out thanks
I feel like the world feels dead now. I attempted to do some dates in costa last night. There were 2 ppl in the zone. It was depressing. There used to be 30+ people there running around all the time.

I'm not saying to make dates the only way to level. Or even the best way. I'm saying they seem to struggle with balancing the leveling options. Fates, potd, and dungeons should all be balanced very close to each other. In heavensward they were not. Then they tried the relic gimmick to get people back into fates and it helped for a bit but not with any lasting effect. They should have also buffed the exp more. Like it takes what? 3 gubals to go 59 to 60? Each run takes like 20 minutes. 20 minutes times 3 is an hour. An hour of fates in hinterlands gives about 1 mil exp. And you need 3.8mil exp to go 59 to 60. So fates take more than 3 times as long at this level. That is a big gap. I'm ok with dungeons being faster in general. But the gap should be like time and a half. Not triple the time.

I wouldn't like to see that option. Yokai as other's have stated put a very bad taste into many ppl's mouth but for me that isn't the reason. The reason why I wouldn't want to have fates mandatory again is that a) grinded thousands of these for the old relic, b) thousands of them to level from 40-50 (before they increased exp) and that on multiple classes, c) did hundreds if not more of them for leveling all the way to 60 (before they buffed the HW areas), d) again we did it for beast tribes/new relics/gc seals (before they even buffed these). I am tired of it. Now I am not saying potd is much better, haven't level'd a lot in there, but at least it's different compared to fates from 2.0-3.x, I don't need another fate train in 4.0 sry.

Edit: Nearly forgot the old times... fate train from lvl 34-42/45 anyone? :/

I admit I have really enjoyed these, they are fun, especially when you have a large group of people doing them. At this point I mostly solo them, but I've run into some really nasty ones at this level that practically took a raid team to beat.

FATEs are fun, and another thing which Heavensward completely killed are Levequests, which, while rather monotonous, at least offered some kind of questlike feel before they were bolted on as an afterthought forcing you to keep going back to Foundation. For people who like to play with a partner it doesn't feel very rewarding to level up in Heavensward after the first run-through of the main quest.

Ultimately any kind of grinding - POTD, FATEs, levelling roulette which keeps dumping you in Sastasha with half of your skills locked - leaves you unprepared for party play in some way. It's a separate issue entirely. People who prefer not to think about their role aren't going to start thinking just because you block FATE levelling.

I ran into these in a game called Neverwinter Nights Online.... in the Icewind Dale expansion.... and honestly they were spectacular, random, and fun... also some were really hard.

Rewards were pretty good too, but I did them for the challenge.

Exp was good, and it made you feel like you were in an open world. I loved it. Same thing with these, even if they're less elaborate. And leveling with them was great fun. Anyone could join in and get exp based on what they did akin to what they did in their specific job.

FATE grinding is still viable. I still level through FATEs. If you were okay with the speed of FATE leveling before, you're going to be okay with it now. It has not changed.

However, I do agree that the options we have for leveling need to be a bit closer. POTD is so much faster than other options that I can understand why people feel forced to do it.

I'm surprised more people aren't asking for higher exp on FATEs (like 50%-100% boost). I can only assume that the multiple FATE events in the past have burned people out on them, but I wasn't here for those and I don't know how much longer I can play POTD/Frontlines. I have started to do FATEs and it feels just unreasonably slower compared to the other two options. I don't even care if it's the slowest option, but the gap is just too large.

I really like fates from the perspective of 'oh this is a cool boss.' Almost all fates are reskins of other enemies but I love the flavour text and when my WOL participates in one (assuming special ones like fate quest lines) it feels significant to the world or my understanding of the world. Like my WOL has slayed a long dormant vicious forest god or something. I just think they are very cool. My complaint really is that so many have participated in a fate previously its nearly impossible to complete a boss fate with a handful of people in time (not being able to be on at prime time for server). Maybe if there was formula that factored in the number of current people on that map in addition to its regular formula. Just so that the boss fates like the commanders one in the fringes one I've been trying to complete but everyone leaves after first two parts of that fate questline.

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Originally Posted by Tiva

And I'm not saying to go back to that...

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I am.

I missed the Yo-kai event (which sucks since I want that Blizzaria minion), but I did go through the ATMA grind way back when.
And with that in mind, I don't care how many FATE grinds/events they introduce, they will still be my preferred way to level. Don't have to group and somehow intrinsically more interesting than instances.

I've done PotD through 60 for a few classes and I'm sick of that.
No interest in doing instanced group content on many classes in the first place (Healers/Tanks), so that leaves levequests and FATEs. The former is just pitiful and FATEs are extremely slow-going as well when you're essentially the only one in the zone doing them (as an AST, no less).

Make Eorzea FATE Again.

I think fate levelling is viable in SB. especially with the added bonus fates and forlorn buffs.

I wish they would add that in ARR and HW zones too.