Australia deserves better latency

Isn't it time for an official Australian server that is actually in Australia? My dream is that they'll announce it at the Fanfest. Other companies can do it, surely SQENIX can do it too?

Which datacenter will it go in for duty finder though? If its just 1 server, unconnected to a datacenter then the population wont be very high, and i don't see very many transferring servers to it if they are already established cuz housing/FC's/friends.

"Deserves" LUL.

We don't deserve anything in this game, stop making us sound like special snowflakes mate. It took Blizzard how many years to make Oceanic servers? Square Enix doesn't even know we exist, we are a part of the EU according to Square.

Just like with Blizzard I'd still want any Australian servers to be part of the US/JAP group, and it doesn't have to be just the one server.

Sorry for using the word deserve, I was being nice. Have we really been crapped on for so long that that amount of self-loathing is justified? The way WoW works is different to the way FFXIV works so even when the servers were physically in the US the latency wasn't terrible (it's waaaay better now they're physically in Australia though). Lower latency would change the game for me, or at least give me less excuses for dying... we've all blamed latency, even when it wasn't latency (or maybe it's just me).

You're right about the silly grouping with Europe that they do to us though. They missed the memo that the NTSC/PAL days are over.

If they grouped you with the JP or Na servers for DF, you'd still have lag. If they gave you your own instance server, anyone from NA/JP would have lag. And it probably would be just one server, since I don't think there's enough players in AU to justify more than one.

I'm trying to focus on reasons why we should have Australian servers rather than why we shouldn't. Is there an Australian player who's happy with the latency?

Because money.

The truth is, the AUS population isn't going to be large enough to justify the expense. Setting up servers is incredibly expensive, and doing so in AUS is probably even more so due to it's location and the general price of pretty much everything there.

It's simply not a big enough market, so no, you don't deserve anything. If they do any other new servers/data centers it's more likely to be a West Coast US one.

And let's not even talk about how a lot of the latency problems probably stem more from the poor infrastructure in Australia than anything else.

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Originally Posted by harrisben

I'm trying to focus on reasons why we should have Australian servers rather than why we shouldn't. Is there an Australian player who's happy with the latency?

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I'm not happy with it, nor am I in other games I play, It stops me from playing the harder content, but I just resign myself to accepting that is the way it is.
While I would love an AU/NZ server, I don't think it would work this late in the games life, how many that have made friends elsewhere would be willing to dump that to move back to an local server? I remember Pirates of the Burning Sea tried and Star Wars the Old Republic as well, and both ended in failures from just not enough people.
It says you're on Tonberry, how is the latency there? I heard it was the best you can get from Australia, but still bad?

Wonder how well they could make latency standardized in certain party compositions lol. Could make the "laggers raiding party" hehe, SE could find the average latency to a threshold and set that as the response time/delay to many things - so it would be less of an issue without actually moving servers. Concerned there would be a way to abuse it though, some cheats are made around similar (less team oriented) ideas.

Wc3 had a mod you could utilize as host to find a standard delay make it appear consistent for everyone (so long as the difference wasn't that big), was really helpful on high response maps with custom hosts.

The way FF14's game mechanics work, 300-400 or less latency is irrelevant. And if you have more than 300, that's an issue you have to take up with your ISP, not SE.

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Originally Posted by harrisben

I'm trying to focus on reasons why we should have Australian servers rather than why we shouldn't. Is there an Australian player who's happy with the latency?

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Use a tunneling service that will re-route your connection. WtFast, Pingzapper- programs like these. It won't help you if you're on console, but it's something to consider if you're playing on PC. As much as it sucks, I doubt there's a large enough population of AUS players that would warrant setting up an entire new server just for you (which might not even help).

I don't want an Oceanic server. Access to the JP data center and it's level of competency is worth the added latency imo.

Nothing worse than seeing an all E party in duty finder.

Im australian n don't even think we need an Australian 1... would be a ghost server lol

How many pings you're getting in Australia?

When I was in Singapore, I got around 200ms (playing on a NA data center).

I'm going to visit my mom in Australia soon and I'm gonna play a little from there.

I don't think they need to setup an AU data center though. Just add a new server to the JP data center and make it an Eastern English data center. It's not only for AU and NZ, people from HK, SG, and other East Asian countries might need it.

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Originally Posted by ThickishGerm

I don't want an Oceanic server. Access to the JP data center and it's level of competency is worth the added latency imo.

Nothing worse than seeing an all E party in duty finder.

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Amen and oath :o

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Originally Posted by Evangela

How many pings you're getting in Australia?

When I was in Singapore, I got around 200ms (playing on a NA data center).

I'm going to visit my mom in Australia soon and I'm gonna play a little from there.

I don't think they need to setup an AU data center though. Just add a new server to the JP data center and make it an Eastern English data center. It's not only for AU and NZ, people from HK, SG, and other East Asian countries might need it.

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I'm in regional Aus and its around 450-500, and nothing short of selling up and moving will ever change that. Some have said they get 350-400 from around Sydney.
I've yet to hear what sort numbers people are getting on Tonberry from different regions in Aus.

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Originally Posted by JCharms

I'm in regional Aus and its around 450-500, and nothing short of selling up and moving will ever change that. Some have said they get 350-400 from around Sydney.
I've yet to hear what sort numbers people are getting on Tonberry from different regions in Aus.

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Wow... it's that bad? Is it something wrong with the internet there or the route to Canada that is the problem? I mean Singapore is even further from the NA server than AU and I got 200ms. Even when I went to Thailand, I got 260ms.

My ping to the server is usually about 500ms+, thus my desire for Australian server/s.

They should move Tonberry and the other servers in that group to Australia (hey, I can dream!)

I'm building an army of Kangaroos to come and force the issue.

Better throw in a few drop bears and some native snakes, spiders, lizards, etc. - just for that extra bit of persuasion :)

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Wow... it's that bad? Is it something wrong with the internet there

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Internet.. make things worse they cheaped out doing the big nbn country wide upgrade aswell.. if invested more money into it would of been better for every1 but we know how governments work xD

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

The way FF14's game mechanics work, 300-400 or less latency is irrelevant. And if you have more than 300, that's an issue you have to take up with your ISP, not SE.

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Not always an option for more rural based players, or even players in rural classed cities, given the line quality in most areas. Considering a lot of people are still stuck on the old copper unless you're in a big city it's just not viable. Other ISPs beyond Telstra all still loaning the lines directly from Telstra, so it's infrastructure issues not solely base ISP.

I have mixed latency. Anytime I see the connection read on log-in flick to excellent I can guarantee I will have dropped inputs, lag, and even DCs. Friend I have in AU who is outer-suburb of a big city has same issues despite better lines out there.

I wouldn't move servers from where I am, have too much attachment, but it would be nice if there was some more of a buffer to help out even tho' it'll never happen.

I find little issue playing from Australia on tonberry. Most of my FC is AUS and they can clear A12S so I don't see a big problem.

Honestly I doubt I would switch even if they did do it. Sure Blizzard has Oceanic servers but it also has a vastly bigger playerbase. I am not convinced FF14's Oceanic population is sufficient to make it an issue and the ping isn't high enough problems to bother me.

Considering how long it took them to introduce EU servers and the fact they are currently spending a lot of money on existing server upgrades I wouldn't imagine we would see Oceanic servers any time soon anyway even if they did consider it.

As long as the subscription revenue of all AU/NZ players is less than the cost of building and running another datacenter, it'd be a bad business move. Simple as that.

As a player from New Zealand getting 270 without a tunnel, yea the latency is a pain, even more in pvp.

But this game isn't Wow and the Aus/NZ region doesn't have the same player base as Wow to justify an oceanic server. It would be dead on arrival most likely, as all wow had to do was move existing servers to oceanic.

As for saying 300-400 latency is irrelevant, try doing something like titan and not getting knocked off.

While the latency is a notable issue, lets face it... our third world internet is part of the problem and there is nothing SE can do about that.
I can deal with my 230+ ping (I was born in it, molded by it.), the bloody game freezing for seconds at a time because Telstra is having 'ongoing issues' is whats killing me.

We are simply too few to warrant a server, as much as I wish it were different.

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Originally Posted by Paranoir

As for saying 300-400 latency is irrelevant, try doing something like titan and not getting knocked off.

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I have, with about 350 ping. It's not that hard to anticipate.

Frankly, even though it sucks, it's simply not worth it for them to have dedicated servers in Australia. Better off kicking out the politicians who continue to allow prehistoric practices when it comes to internet.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

Square Enix doesn't even know we exist

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Do people not know of the time Yoshi P was there and said himself he was disappointed with the latency there? ...and as much as that doesn't magically make a centre there feasible, he's definitely aware you exist, and that the situation exists.

Convince more aussies to play, in reality there isn't a large enough demographic, they could do an oceanic server perhaps but that would depend on the population of the other countries that encompass that.

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Originally Posted by harrisben

Isn't it time for an official Australian server that is actually in Australia? My dream is that they'll announce it at the Fanfest. Other companies can do it, surely SQENIX can do it too?

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Australian data center for Australians? Do you really want to limit your potential player base with such a niche server or data center as that? The biggest issue with latency isn't the distance, it's the number of hops and the performance of the backbone that carries the traffic.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Do people not know of the time Yoshi P was there and said himself he was disappointed with the latency there? ...and as much as that doesn't magically make a centre there feasible, he's definitely aware you exist, and that the situation exists.

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I spent years forced to play WoW with 300ms ping. The Tonberry lag isn't huge compared to that.

Last i looked australia was ranked around 50th for internet speeds lol so that right there explains alot xD

I managed to make a char on Tonberry this morning, I will level her a little over the next few days and see how it is. It wont take long to see, just need to face a few enemies that lay down some floor spam and see if i can get out of it.
Since I started playing last year, it shows me literally meters away from it but it still registers the damage. I ended up changing to healer so I don't have to bother moving for anything and just eat the damage. :P
If it works out ok, I'll shift my mains over.

So much negativity. It's interesting that so many of you focus on why not to have Australian servers rather than why we should.

If you're happy with how things are, kudos to you. I would like things to be better.

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

Last i looked australia was ranked around 50th for internet speeds lol so that right there explains alot xD

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Not like gamers can do anything about that. You have to play the cards you're dealt.

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Originally Posted by harrisben

So much negativity. It's interesting that so many of you focus on why not to have Australian servers rather than why we should.

If you're happy with how things are, kudos to you. I would like things to be better.

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We would all like better support in our region. But it's not just this game where SE pretend we don't exist. Their AU online store for example is pathetic, and we miss out on an enormous amount compared to the US/UK.

As for an oceania server; we're stuck in a paradox. They can't justify the expense or support without a higher playerbase, but they won't get more players from our region without supporting it. The best case scenario at the moment is to offer an eng server on an existing JP data centre for all Aus, NZ, Singapore, HK and other SEA players.

Asian-Oceanic English server is more possible. They can just set it up in Japan so they don't have to pay any extra money and manpower to maintenance it. But if they want to put it in the center of the region then it should be in Hong Kong or Singapore, not Australia.

As someone that lives in Australia the ping can be pretty bad but I think I'll stay on JP Data Center with 120ms on a good day.
Tonberry got awful because Australians try and act like they're on Aether Data center. I'll just treat it as a containment server.

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

Last i looked australia was ranked around 50th for internet speeds lol so that right there explains alot xD

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Its nothing to do with internet speed, its the geography. Most Australian cities are East coast and very south. This is a lot of distance to cover even for undersea fibre optic cables to japan. And as a double whammy, Aus doesn't have a big enough online population to warrant local servers (also good luck with the shitty Aus hosting prices). Ideally, there should be an Oceanic server located in Singapore which is almost at the centre of the oceanic population, best compromise of acceptable latency for Aussies, pinoys, malaysians etc etc

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Originally Posted by CookieMonsta

IAnd as a double whammy, Aus doesn't have a big enough online population to warrant local servers (also good luck with the shitty Aus hosting prices).

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Blizzard AUS servers? Hmm. Though Square Enix is not anything like Blizzard. It took Blizzard about 10 years to establish AU servers, maybe wait that time for SE to make some? XD