What makes fps drop at idyllshire? CPU or video card?
I notice that at hunts it's not so bad even with 30-40 people there
But at idyllshire with 30-40 people it's pretty bad...
What should I consider more? CPU or video card?
CPU and video card
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02-07-2017, 02:05 AMGhastlyCPU and video card
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02-07-2017, 02:07 AMAverax
it helps to know what you actually have, so we can tell you what's lacking
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02-07-2017, 02:11 AMGhastly
CPU
Intel i5-3570K (3.40GHz...3.80GHz)
Video card
NVidia Geforce GTX 970
Got the video card late last year but wondering if the fps drop is the CPU or the video card
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02-07-2017, 02:16 AMffchampion
the issue wont be the graphics card. i have the same card at run with no dips whatsoever
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02-07-2017, 02:38 AMAveraxIt's probably your CPU, that thing is several generations old, and if you've been using it for a few years, it could very well be approaching the latter half of its life cycleQuote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
The intel 7XXX series just launched and is quite reasonably priced. I recommend a 7600k and a Z270 motherboard if you want to overclock. -
02-07-2017, 03:42 AMMalzianQuote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
Actually that's still a decent and capable chip, and the GPU should be fine, as well. However, if you're looking for a culprit in load times, the most likely source is the hard drive the data files are on. You should routinely defragment the drive if you aren't already and I also recommend running some health checks on it like chkdsk and the like just to make sure you're not developing bad sectors. Also other things might contribute to it, like antivirus scanning the drive or other programs like Steam doing background updates.Quote:
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Before you invest in new hardware, make sure everything you have is operating as it should. -
02-07-2017, 03:52 AMworldofneil
It's your processor. I have the same graphics card (GTX 970) and a 1st generation i7-920. Generally I get a decent frame rate that I'm happy with (~60), except for Idyllshire. It's all the people and different combinations of outfits. The processor is literally having to "assemble" all those different people/outfits, they're not single objects, but the game engine has to build them. Race, size, wearing this top, that hair, this colour...
I don't know about your server, but on mine there's a lot more than 30-40 people there (you said that in reference to hunts) and it's more like a few hundred within visible range at any one time.
So yeh you could upgrade your processor and it might "fix" it, but probably something easier to just live with. -
02-07-2017, 03:59 AMMalzianI have an AMD FX 8350 which is 1.3GHz faster and has 8 cores and Idyl still does this on occasion to me. Your CPU is generally not to blame for this, the GPU handles all of that assembly. I have 2 GTX 970s, also and the only thing that fixes the issue for me is a good full defrag.Quote:
Originally Posted by worldofneil
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02-07-2017, 04:02 AMKosmos992kHybrid or SSD drive to replace the HDD. I saw someone recently commenting about how crap the HDD in the PS4 is, the HDD in 90+% of PCs is just as crap. A better HDD will boost performance a little, as will keeping the existing drive cleaned up - as you suggest. but an SSD or Hybrid will do far more.Quote:
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02-07-2017, 04:11 AMMalzianThe original PS4 HDD is pretty crappy. Replaced mine with a higher performance 2TB drive (HDD since that size in Hybrid or SSD is not something I'm going to pay for right now... >.>). Easy enough to put in a PC, but I still only recommend SSDs for system drives right now as the high volume of Read/Writes on a game drive will reduce its lifespan. A decent 7200RPM drive on a 6Gb/s SATA will give you plenty of performance, though a hybrid would indeed be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kosmos992k
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02-07-2017, 04:15 AMworldofneilI can see my CPU usage spike whilst in Idyllshire (this is as easy to verify as simply loading Task Manager whilst the game is open).Quote:
Originally Posted by Malzian
Then with all due respect you have a different problem, which would affect all areas, not just Idyllshire. This also isn't applicable to anyone running the game on a SSD as we have no need to defrag (nor should it be attempted as it's just shortening the life of the SSD if you do).Quote:
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02-07-2017, 04:19 AMShunittseruLol.... Your AMD FX is not as good as an i5. It don't have cores, it has "modules", which need way more energy and doesn't have that power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malzian
And you can say that your FS "1.3GHz" faster, but very low IPC.
Back to topic:
If you really wanna find out, which one is the limiting part, you need to check your hardware on the fly.
... If your GPU runs at 99% workload, your GPU is limiting your FPS.
... If your GPU runs not at 99% workload, your CPU is limiting your FPS.
--> Even if your taskmanager says that your CPU is not at 100% load, you're in CPU limit, if GPU wont have 99% workload.
P.S.: With GTX 1080, i7-4770k, got 49-65 FPS (3440x1440, maxed settings) in Idyllshire... (CPU limit)
Edit: 67% GPU workload in Idyllshire... -
02-07-2017, 04:19 AMKosmos992kPeople would be well advised to check the drives own cache size as well. a drive with a 64MB cache/buffer will peform better regardless of rotation speed. If you can get a 7200rpm drive with larger cache, double bonus. I'm not arguing that the HDD in the PS4 isn't crap it's costed very tightly so it's not going to be a premium drive, just like most PCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malzian
Also, unless you have specific evidence of SSds actually wearing out, you might want to re-examine the technology. I know very well the limitation of flash memory cells, but that's not the whole story for SSDs, at least not modern ones. With a larger drive and decent wear leveling, the lifespan of an SSD even in gaming can exceed the MTBF for 99% of HDDs. -
02-07-2017, 04:22 AMKosmos992kUnless your memory, or more likely your system drive, cannot keep up. CPU and GPU are not the only bottle-necks in a PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shunittseru
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02-07-2017, 04:26 AMGhastly
Hmm mixed signals here...but I appreciate all the help.
I'm thinking that maybe the video card doesn't have enough memory for idyllshire (4GB?)
But then people say the cpu has to handle all those 30+ people at idyllshire...
Confusing! We need more research/clearer answer :3 -
02-07-2017, 04:34 AMManuelBravo
It can also be a matter of your Direc X version, refresh rate, and bandwith. lately there has been a lot of issues with it. Sometimes when you warp in just wait a few minutes before moving. Or lower some setting. If your system isn't a 64 bit system....yeah like Yoshi said in FanFare. "Yeah we can look into it, but if you can get it 64-bit that would help performance a lot." Also check your refresh rate on your monitor as well.
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02-07-2017, 04:35 AMShunittseruThats true. But if you just stay still in idleshire, and no new people coming to you, you dont load new things...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kosmos992k
Lets get started! You need to look at your hardware, cause we dont have your hardware!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
VRAM usage above 3.5 GB? -
02-07-2017, 04:36 AMMalzianIf you compare it on a single core, yes, the i5 has better performance at that granular level, however the FX still benchmarks better than the i5. So better or worse depends entirely on which metric you're choosing to focus on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shunittseru
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02-07-2017, 04:52 AMAveraxThat's all 8 cores of your FX versus the four cores of the i5. That's why it benches better, but in real world performance, no game uses all 8 cores. AMD tried to sell the high base clock speed and the multiple cores, it looks extremely good on the surface, but nothings going to use all the cores, and the IPC is so low it doesn't measure up in MMOs.Quote:
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MMOs are extremely dependant on single core performance, since most everything is done on one thread. And the FX series of CPUs were extremely lackluster in that performance even when they were new. -
02-07-2017, 05:06 AMMalzianI think the best thing you can take away from this is that there are a large number of reasons why this could be happening and you should take steps to isolate exactly where the issue is coming from. Here are the steps I would follow, some will seem superfluous, but it's still good practice to check:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
1) Do your best to start off with the best system state that you can. This means running virus scans, defrags (only on HDDS, do not defrag SSDs), chkdsks and potentially RAM diagnostics (unlikely, but a RAM issue is always possible). Also make sure your drivers are all up to date.
2) Check that no services or other software is causing you to slow down. These can be virus scans, Windows search and Superfetch or background updates.
3) Check your pagefile settings and usage along with other usages such as CPU, RAM and Disk access with the Performance monitor to check for anomolies.
3) Benchmark your system and compare it to benchmarks of comparable systems. Passmark has a good free software that will do this for you: https://www.passmark.com/products/pt.htm
4) Identify possible bottlenecks based on those benchmarks and components that are performing sub-optimally.
5) Remedy your bottlenecks wherever possible with new hardware if need-be.
Good luck and hope you figure it out. -
02-07-2017, 06:01 AMRiardon
In mmo towns is purely a CPU thing and it is pretty normal. You can overclock your CPU since you have a K model. This will give a huge boost for free. If you don't know how to do it then read some guides. If you don't want to though a newer CPU with higher speed RAM will do the trick too. It depends on what you are willing to do and if you are willing to spend money. You will still have some frame drops in town albeit not that much.
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02-07-2017, 06:59 AMGhastly
Appreciate the help, is there someway to see how much memory the video card is using?
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02-07-2017, 07:23 AMMalzianMSI Afterburner can measure all of the stats of your graphics card while it's running and, if you set up the server for it, you can view those metrics on an iPad or such so you don't even have to flip out of XIV to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
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02-07-2017, 12:20 PMGhastly
Thank you!
So both the cpu and gpu are working at around 60% at idyllshire...the GPU is using around 1.5GB of memory...
My guess is the cpu is what needs replacing
I also found out I wasn't updating my nvidia drivers...I was only updating the nvidia gameready driver (confusing).
That driver update helped a lot, fps improved a lot...but I still drop to 40fps. I guess that's the cpu? Sorry for all the questions..trying to prepare for stormblood. -
02-07-2017, 01:21 PMMalzian40 Fps isn't really all that bad, to be honest. Game is very much playable at that rate. As far Stormblood is concerned, they're upping the min spec, but I doubt it'll be anything higher than what you have and your performance really won't change at all with the Expac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghastly
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02-07-2017, 06:02 PMAronys
That is a CPU issue. I suggest checking your CPU temperature and if you have to, changing your thermal paste. I had a similar issue like half a year ago in which the game would start to drop fps and I have a i7 4770, GTX970 and 16GB RAM. Realised that I needed to change my thermal paste and after that, not a single frame drop. Idyllshire works at 55-60 fps easy now.