Please make PotD cross data center

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02-06-2017, 11:18 PM
ffchampion

Please make PotD cross data center

I don't know about anyone else but since the new party finder i only see PotD groups in the cross data center option. Never in my own world. This is extremely frustrating as whenever i look for a group so we can try and get to floor 200 they always bail.

Please make this cross data center!
Even if you don't please remove the fact you all need to be in Quarrymill. That in it's own right is quite annoying as then you just get people crowded round the NPC
02-07-2017, 02:40 AM
Stormfur

Or make it so we don't have to devote 8 hours a day to finding 3 other people with the same schedule.
02-07-2017, 02:40 AM
GMERC

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Or make it so we don't have to devote 8 hours a day to finding 3 other people with the same schedule.

It shouldn't take you 8 hours to make 3 friends.
02-07-2017, 04:51 AM
Bacent

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Originally Posted by GMERC

It shouldn't take you 8 hours to make 3 friends.

You can make friends in game that are on hugely different gameplay times, so making three friends that play all at the same time can be a bit annoying. So yeah, it can take 8+ hours to make 3 friends who play at roughly the same time.
02-07-2017, 05:14 AM
Rowde

I could definitely get behind this... I still haven't reached floor 200.

I attempted some runs with randoms from party finder several times, and even with all the bravado, all those groups eventually had to take a break and only a few of them actually were able to reconvene and continue the run on another day.

Realistically, 101-200 is ten floor sets, and each can take somewhere between 25-45 min to clear (though I've had some go to the wire before too). A lot of it is heavily dependent on RNG. Recovering from a string of bad luck can eat up the clock... So it could take somewhere between 4-8 hours just to clear 101-200.

Personally, I think 51-100 is super easy now as long as everyone already has +99/+99 gear... which I think they should if they're seriously trying to get to 200. And I've been able to consistently clear those sets in less than 30 minutes with most of my random groups. That's still another 2 /12 hours to add on to the total time even at 25 minutes though.
02-07-2017, 05:15 AM
Rowde

cont'd

So estimated total time to complete 51-200 would probably be somewhere between 6 1/2 hours - 10 1/2 hours. Without taking breaks into account. I don't think it's something that can be done by most ppl in one sitting... and yeah, finding the 3 other ppl with the drive and schedule to make multiple attempts at it (in case of failure in the upper floors) on a single server has been a bit difficult for me.
02-07-2017, 05:33 AM
GMERC

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Originally Posted by Rowde

I don't think it's something that can be done by most ppl in one sitting...

It isn't supposed to be, and not everyone is expected to be reaching floor 200. That isn't the purpose of the content. It was stated time and time again that only the first 50 floors were for story before release, then it turned out we got a bit more to it out of the second 50, but floors 101-200 are for people who want a challenge, and it's explicitly designed both for dedicated groups AND features a firm game-over state.

Stop trying to casualize content that isn't for you.
02-07-2017, 05:42 AM
Rowde

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Originally Posted by GMERC

It isn't supposed to be, and not everyone is expected to be reaching floor 200. That isn't the purpose of the content. It was stated time and time again that only the first 50 floors were for story before release, then it turned out we got a bit more to it out of the second 50, but floors 101-200 are for people who want a challenge, and it's explicitly designed both for dedicated groups AND features a firm game-over state.

Stop trying to casualize content that isn't for you.

LoLwut?

I said nothing about making the actual content any easier. I think it's fine the way it is.

But the process of creating groups to attempt to tackle said content should be made easier. That doesn't trivialize or "casualize" the difficulty of the actual content. It would just give more ppl the opportunity to actually try to do it.
02-07-2017, 06:17 AM
Leanna

I'm in Ragnarok and almost all my friends in Moogle, the only way to see +101 is a cross-server PotD, make it happen.

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Originally Posted by GMERC

It isn't supposed to be, and not everyone is expected to be reaching floor 200. That isn't the purpose of the content. It was stated time and time again that only the first 50 floors were for story before release, then it turned out we got a bit more to it out of the second 50, but floors 101-200 are for people who want a challenge, and it's explicitly designed both for dedicated groups AND features a firm game-over state.

Stop trying to casualize content that isn't for you.

You didn't understand what she said, or for you the challenge is find people instead of the content itself.
02-07-2017, 06:24 AM
Vidu

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Originally Posted by Rowde

But the process of creating groups to attempt to tackle said content should be made easier. That doesn't trivialize or "casualize" the difficulty of the actual content. It would just give more ppl the opportunity to actually try to do it.

The thing is though: Putting this content into DF (aka: the only REAL way to make it easier to find people to do it) WILL eventually open the floodgates for nerfs. There are two topics on that issue in the dungeon-subforum.
Cross-realm-PF for it could tackle the problem a bit but at the end of the day I'd say it boils more down to someone probably playing on the wrong server for their timezone if they cant people to run content with.

Lets not forget, that you
1) can take breaks - so you dont have to play 8 hours non-stop and
2) dont need to go in with 4 people (why are people always forgetting that? Honestly, that content is supposed to be a challenge - if you want to do it, you should want a challenge, so ultimatly you can also make use of the feature to go in alone or just with one or two other people)
02-07-2017, 06:39 AM
Felis

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Or make it so we don't have to devote 8 hours a day to finding 3 other people with the same schedule.

4 people is the max, not the minimum.
02-07-2017, 06:46 AM
Rowde

I'm not saying that it has to be done non-stop, I haven't had a group yet that didn't need to stop at some point because of someone's need to zzz.

Only a few of those groups actually got back together again on a subsequent day to continue our run though.

And only one group of players I met through using the PF actually attempted to do it multiple times. They were raiders though, and PotD wasn't their priority so they could only devote two evenings a week to PotD.

I was estimating the total time to complete for perspective. With the entire endeavor probably split between 2-3 irl days.

Personally, I think DF for this would be an absolute nightmare and wouldn't work at all w/o making changes to the content. Which again, is not what I'm saying I want. I feel like you're overlooking the some of the other benefits of PF... such as being able to state your intent and screen players for their schedules.
02-07-2017, 07:13 PM
ffchampion

You may not need 4 people. but if you want the mount its stupid to go in with less than that. i originally tried solo WAR and died 110 due to an accident. there was no way i was going to get to 150+ though
02-07-2017, 11:37 PM
Stormfur

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Originally Posted by GMERC

It shouldn't take you 8 hours to make 3 friends.

Oh my friends list is completely and utterly full. But trying to find three other people who can commit to the time needed and do so on a schedule that's convenient for everyone is harder than the actual DUNGEON ITSELF.
02-08-2017, 12:20 AM
Paah

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Oh my friends list is completely and utterly full. But trying to find three other people who can commit to the time needed and do so on a schedule that's convenient for everyone is harder than the actual DUNGEON ITSELF.

People constantly manage to find SEVEN other people for savage raids. What's so hard about three?
02-08-2017, 12:50 AM
Vidu

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Originally Posted by ffchampion

You may not need 4 people. but if you want the mount its stupid to go in with less than that. i originally tried solo WAR and died 110 due to an accident. there was no way i was going to get to 150+ though

Honestly, if you're in for the mount and not for the challenge that this content mainly is supposed to be, you might be better off with spending your time crafting and making the gil to buy it - last time I checked it was around 25 mil on my server, that would be somewhat between 10 and 20 3/4 star items to seel for me...
02-08-2017, 07:01 PM
DynamoAce

The most challenging part about getting to Floor 200 seems to be actually getting people together who have the time and availability in their schedule to align with all 4 to do it. I'm sure there are plenty who would really love to be able to tackle this challenge and most likely do have the skills for it, but don't have the people. I'm sure this must also be harder on people who want to clear it but may not be on a server that has active enough people for this sort of thing.
02-08-2017, 07:46 PM
ffchampion

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Honestly, if you're in for the mount and not for the challenge that this content mainly is supposed to be, you might be better off with spending your time crafting and making the gil to buy it - last time I checked it was around 25 mil on my server, that would be somewhat between 10 and 20 3/4 star items to seel for me...

Last time i checked my server there were only 2 on there.... both for 150mil
02-09-2017, 01:35 AM
RukiaFae

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Originally Posted by Paah

People constantly manage to find SEVEN other people for savage raids. What's so hard about three?

Because you can change those people out at anytime and continue to progress to other floors for raids. It is better to keep the same people but the game doesn't force you to play with the same people to complete the content. There was an issue with finding static members on smaller servers that's why many people transferred servers. The new PF was designed to help people on smaller servers. Now you can make accross server statics. Unfortunately the PF doesn't help with POTD if you're on a small server.
02-09-2017, 03:59 AM
Stormfur

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Originally Posted by Paah

People constantly manage to find SEVEN other people for savage raids. What's so hard about three?

Your progress in a savage raid isn't reset if you have to swap people in and out because they have other obligations. Also, you can die in a savage raid and not have to start from the Binding Coil of Bahamut turn 1.
02-09-2017, 04:13 AM
bswpayton

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Originally Posted by ffchampion

I don't know about anyone else but since the new party finder i only see PotD groups in the cross data center option. Never in my own world. This is extremely frustrating as whenever i look for a group so we can try and get to floor 200 they always bail.

Please make this cross data center!
Even if you don't please remove the fact you all need to be in Quarrymill. That in it's own right is quite annoying as then you just get people crowded round the NPC

Totally agree with this , everyone says friends I speak with and talk to people in nn, ls, and my fc has over 500 people I have tons of people on my friend list. What Ive found out is just because you are friends in the game doesnt mean that people want to run content that you want to run.

I know people who like to craft all day and the only time they even do dungeons are anything is for wt for more stuff for crafting, I have friends that only do pvp or people that just level. They need to fix this and for anyone whos sayin the content isnt for everyone I believe all people here are saying is a chance to actually get in the content, nobody is askin for a free pass to lower how challenging the content may or may not be. Its alot of content in this game and I have found out that for me the easiest way to do any content I want is df , friends in the game are rarely dependable.