DNC + SAM = Samurai? (A boredom fuled musing)

Sorry, sorry, I'm bored. Keep in mind that I don't really have a positive or negative opinion of any job the DEVs add in SB. I just really don't care as I like what I have in PLD/DRK. So anyway I was poking around the wikia for Tactics Ogre (a favorite game of mine) and noticed something I had forgotten because I don't use the Swordmaster, the Samurai class of that game. In TO.... Swordmasters DANCE!!!! <--- (That's a link lol)


So I got to thinking, since FFXIV borrows a lot, and I mean a lot from Tactics Ogre, and the fact that the Female Swordmaster's art shows her in a green dress similar to the Lady in Red's dress in cut.... is it to much of a stretch to think that maybe it's possible?

Like I said its all boredom fueled, just noticed it and thought I would throw it out there, better then the super negative threads out there right at the moment.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140121140310
http://cloud-3.steamusercontent.com/...38A3CE22E4EFA/

only obliquely related to the topic at hand but when DNC was added in FFXI if you were a samurai with a soboro sukehiro playing as sam/dnc was awesome for soloing stuff.

Interesting thought. I find it to be the case that whenever you dislike a job, you kinda welcome it become part of a job you like just to make sure the job doesn't survive by itself.

What I mean by that is, I disliked Corsair and I am happy that the job won't ever be added in FFXIV cause it got implemented in AST via the card system. Same for DNC. I hate DNC but I wouldn't mind if SAM gets a sword-dance mechanic and absorb the DNC job in the process.

In other words, since DNC is going to be a thing one day, I'd rather it be part of another job than be added as a separate DNC job.

I could see them make SAM a self-healing tank if that were the case, in the same vein as WAR. Maybe since DRK is a MP management tank, SAM could be a TP management tank. Your self heals would cost you TP, but you'd be able to "regain" that through combos and cooldowns.

Now that you mention it, I recall far eastern swordsmen utilizing "war dances" in older forms of media. (okay mostly anime and parody movies) so this actually makes a lot of sense.

What amuses me about this post is that back in 1.0, Lancer literally incorporated elements of FFXI Dancer and Samurai. It was a debuff-oriented DPS, with two major abilities being Life Surge and Power Surge, which afflicted the enemy with a Samba-esque effect reducing stamina loss (1.0's pseudo TP) or giving life drain. Throw in a bunch of dragoon-like spear attacks (Old Chaos Thrust was like Penta Thrust+1) and you had a kit that I really liked.

I have no clue about the Dancer class from FFXI. I never played FFXI, but have been playing FF games since the original Final Fantasy and the only "dancer" I know of is Mog from VI. To me, the woman in red looks like a Monk performing a kata.

ka·ta
ˈkädə/
noun
a system of individual training exercises for practitioners of karate and other martial arts.
an individual training exercise in karate and other matial arts.

After her kata, she then spars with the meditating male monk, using the exact moves that the male Monk is using.

I mean I guess I wouldn't argue about the idea of a Swordsman, blade dancer or really whatever they could be called though in the end I still would much prefer to see Dancer as its own thing.

I feel like Dancer is unique enough to stand on its own, same as Samurai. If they were merged and released as Samurai, well, I don't think it really phases me since I have little intention of playing either beyond trying them out for kicks.

I think Dancer is such a weird, useless job that combining Samurai with it will help Dancer tremendously. On the other hand, Samurai is such a great and iconic job that combining Dancer with it will completely destroy Samurai.

I think you'd have an easier time trying to merge Dancer with Mystic Knight than with Samurai.

http://i.imgur.com/J5syrGw.jpg

Yda is a monk!

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Originally Posted by Lufir

I think Dancer is such a weird, useless job that combining Samurai with it will help Dancer tremendously.

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Not that I don't want Samurai in the game but I think that Samurai is such a straight-forward job that wouldn't bring anything new to the game that combining it with Dancer would help it tremendously (granted I would prefer if Dancer stayed separate). :-D

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Originally Posted by Tracewood

I could see them make SAM a self-healing tank if that were the case, in the same vein as WAR. Maybe since DRK is a MP management tank, SAM could be a TP management tank. Your self heals would cost you TP, but you'd be able to "regain" that through combos and cooldowns.

Now that you mention it, I recall far eastern swordsmen utilizing "war dances" in older forms of media. (okay mostly anime and parody movies) so this actually makes a lot of sense.

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The potency of the heals would need to be extremely high, as TP caps at 1000. DRK using MP instead of TP only works cause MP exceeds that cap.

Hope they dont do it.
The sam people will hate it.
The dancer people will hate it.
And it wont be a sam at all. Not any one use a katana is a sam justvlike not any one useing a sword is a knight.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

only obliquely related to the topic at hand but when DNC was added in FFXI if you were a samurai with a soboro sukehiro playing as sam/dnc was awesome for soloing stuff.

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Dancer is in FFXIV already. But not as a player class. You can find them in ARF, as some the snake people's class. Who just happen to be an announced beast tribe for the next expansion.

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Originally Posted by Pells

Dancer is in FFXIV already. But not as a player class. You can find them in ARF, as some the snake people's class. Who just happen to be an announced beast tribe for the next expansion.

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An enemy with the word Dancer in its name is the same as a Black Mage being called Warrior of Light. "Dancer" and "Warrior" are still words. Or is "Bowyer" an upcoming job now too?

I just don't understand people's desire to see very iconic Final Fantasy jobs be smashed together in combinations that make zero sense. FFXIV doesn't pull "a lot" from Tactics Ogre. A handful of armor sets is not "a lot". Jobs get combined in this game if they have similar aesthetics and themes and abilities. SAM and DNC share nothing in common. People who are fans of SAM certainly don't want it mashed up with DNC, and people who are DNC fans certainly don't want their job to be some amalgamation with a SAM of all things.

Not to mention, to take the TO identity of Swordmaster and use it as a Final Fantasy Samurai is an incredible disservice as it incorporates almost nothing of what makes Final Fantasy Samurais iconic.