Weaponskill Animations - MoCap versus Artifical

I know that the majority of animations (if not all) are MoCap'd -- While they can produce nice effects, are there any plans to do Artificially designed ones, which I think XI's might be? (I'm not sure if for example down the road MoCap was introduced when the technology became common place.)



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Will we get more..I don't know the word for it, animation styles that seem like the character is more "into" doing their weaponskill in the upcoming changes?

I think the biggest positive to switching to Artificial animations for certain skill effect is you can do quite a bit more 'fantasy' styled sequencing than with actors, but I know mocap is mostly for fluidity.

What do you guys think is over all better when it comes to animations and want to see done? As we've seen in LA Noire, mocap is definitely a great thing, but pure CG can also be pretty well done.

I want to be able to move.

However, XI's animations look better. If I could get best of both worlds, it would be XI's animations with movement enabled.

Mocap only looks good for smaller, more "believable" movements. The emotes in this game, for example, are wonderful because of the mocap. It also runs in line with L.A. Noire looking fine with it. Also makes more sense when the characters look realistic. When the characters are very stylized it tends to look creepy.

Regular Animation looks best for stuff like flips and high jumps and things that people obviously can't do IRL, as well as more fantasy-ish characters/races.

IIRC I think the devs actually use a combination of both. In the Making of FF14 video it was mentioned that they tweak the mocap for animations so they fit the different races better.

a combination of mocap and artificial it's better i think, anyhow i don't think all actual ws are mo-cap only. I mean, they should have acrobats in their office to mo-cap simian thrash...

For our basic attacks and emotes mocap was better, in xi some auto attacks were awful and it was usually by race, like elvaan >.< But with ws and such I would like artificial so we can have a variation of cool movements. I'm actually glad FF went with not adding voice acting to every cut scene due to the time it would take to pump out new content (looking at you swtor fail, adding voice acting for menial tasks, and most of the population is forced to skip through dialogue to group up with randoms), with mocap its kind of the same thing, while mocap is nice and its more realistic, if it hinders new ws or new motions, it should be ok to give us some nice artificial ones to fulfill our needs.

I think the more realistic the game the more generated animations look silly.

Not to mention the fight scienes in advent children look really really jouvinile al la dbz.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Mocap only looks good for smaller, more "believable" movements. The emotes in this game, for example, are wonderful because of the mocap. It also runs in line with L.A. Noire looking fine with it. Also makes more sense when the characters look realistic. When the characters are very stylized it tends to look creepy.

Regular Animation looks best for stuff like flips and high jumps and things that people obviously can't do IRL, as well as more fantasy-ish characters/races.

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Devil May Cry 3 and 4's action sequences were all mocapped and they looked absolutely fucking fantastic. The characters are also extremely stylized as well and they do over the top ridiculous things. I think there just needs to be a dev team capable of combining the two, as such a thing has been proven possible in many other games.

I love the realistic moves we have now. When it comes to Dragoon or Pugilist, I could see some animation moves come into play, but the ones we have now (chaos thrust, rage of halone, the PUG one) look great and they should continue them.

I like what we have now myself but, I expect to see some more kaboom and bang for higher levels and job abilities. Especially for magic animations.

I like the mocap myself, the high-level ws look really good.

Elvaan are always so boss with ranged weapons, that video continues the legacy.

But really I'd like to see some more unique WS's, unfortunatly due to the nature of how we use them compared to XI most of them don't have that ultra dramatic flare that XI had.

XI: Use Weaponskills once, perhaps twice a fight at best.
XIV: Use Weaponskills back to back to back to back.

Then begets the issue about movement while doing these intricate attacks without looking utterly stupid. Either they let us move while attacking and it kills the animation or they continue to let it roll while we stroll circles around the mobs. That or the game doesn't give us gimicky bosses that need to us be constantly running around like chickens with our heads cut off afraid to not notice dew drops on the monsters head indicating a massive AOE attack we need to run away from.

wow i loved all of them!

i really cant wait to see more WS and spells remade in this game as they are pretty much all bland-ville.

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Originally Posted by Bahn

Devil May Cry 3 and 4's action sequences were all mocapped and they looked absolutely fucking fantastic. The characters are also extremely stylized as well and they do over the top ridiculous things. I think there just needs to be a dev team capable of combining the two, as such a thing has been proven possible in many other games.

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exactly how i feel!

the system was obviously designed to handle both MoCap and artificial animations so its a wonder to me why we dont have more elaborate ones.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

exactly how i feel!

the system was obviously designed to handle both MoCap and artificial animations so its a wonder to me why we dont have more elaborate ones.

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It really just felt placeholder like given the rush from beta > release that was thrown at us.



Here's the rest of them done via Altanaviewer -- This is why I'm not exactly sure if it's Mocap'd and artificial, but either way the capacity of very nice looking weaponskills is what's there -- Hopefully when they redo animations they look at least as good as these, if not better.

Thanks op for reminding me how bad skill/spell animations look in XIV. Oh why can they make cool looking skills in XI yet fail in XIV. Even those few new one added recently looks better but still not interesting enough. It feels like SE started to think that: add glow = cool skill.
I don;t need mocap unless it's a cutscene. Then it looks much better.

I absolutely adore Chaos Thrust, in terms of animation (when I first hit 50, I spent like 3 days just constantly killing things with it because I liked how it looks - and I'm still not tired of it!) I really hope we get to keep its animation, and we get more like it.

Also holy hell those XI animations. I may have to reactivate my account just to get some of those.