Garo event a COMPLETE success!

Before the next 20 posts of how its been anything but a success, my hats off to the devs fully on this one.

The ques are still at less than 5 min for 8 vs 8 and FL......and its nighttime. With chat disabled, no ones bitching, just lots of feelgood killing~ The cool mounts are easy enough to get, serving their attracting purpose nicely. To boot..some of us even get cool armors, while some get sexy male dresses *coughmnklol*

Done more 8 vs 8 in the last 2 days then pretty much combined before. The event accomplished its goal. Thanks devs!

Chat isn't disabled for Frontlines. That said, all groups I've run with have been pretty chill, aside from the usual "why are you idiots screwing around PVPing when there's PVE objectives up" remarks. (I also don't support the Feast chat ban, so you're unlikely to hear me call that addition a success.)

Queue times have definitely plummeted though, which is excellent. Was able to do something like 12 matches yesterday evening, thanks not just to the Garo event but also probably due to freelance queue finally being a thing. Hopefully we'll get some new PVPers added to the fold, even after this event is done, but the cynic in me finds it kind of unlikely. If there's no continual carrots, only the usual vets will probably stick around, chat ban or no.

If you see it as a short-term promotion, it definitely has succeeded quite nicely.

But considering we already had near instant queues for a while once, during Pre-Season...yeah. It'll die again. Color me surprised if it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Vaeria

With chat disabled, no ones bitching, just lots of feelgood killing~

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Originally Posted by Vaeria

Before the next 20 posts of how its been anything but a success, my hats off to the devs fully on this one.

The ques are still at less than 5 min for 8 vs 8 and FL......and its nighttime. With chat disabled, no ones bitching, just lots of feelgood killing~

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I can agree with the joy of having the shorter queue I have ever seen for PvP,
but even with just the GC requirement removal we would had an all way shorter queue but they waited till now to put all together and risk that it will "die" again in 2 week...

Btw, I'm happy about they are now caring about pvp BUT, the chat removal is a totally mess, they need to fix it.
I had a tank that do not know ANYTHING aout the feast and for 2 matches he didn't took any medal, for example.

The queue times are really good now thanks to the devs who removed the toxic feast chat. <3

Now I've seen more wolfmarks than scrooge mcduck has coin :)

I got so many wolf marks I dunno what to do with them. I love it. I am satisfied.

I dont even know what the Garo event is, lol
Didnt see an announcement anywhere.

The removal of Feast Chat is the worst thing the Devs have done to PvP. I say that even after they removed morale and materia (despite still selling both).

There is no way to teach, or learn. No way to communicate about abilities or use helpful macros.

It's a clown show, and more aggravating than anything.

Out of MP? Too bad you can't tell your team.

Just Holmganged a target and need help DPSing? Too bad you can't tell your team.

Out of cooldowns? Too bad you can't tell your team.

Is their DRG hiding in spawn with 10 stacks of medals? Too bad you can't tell your team.

30 seconds left and your lead is narrow? Too bad you can't tell your team to stall for time!

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Originally Posted by Pyrali

There is no way to teach, or learn. No way to communicate about abilities or use helpful macros.

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There is also no way to read insults and swearing from noob teenager boys. Not that I cared about it personally, but many many people were turned off PvP because of this toxic behaviour. This event is a chance to get them back in a more friendly environment.

And then there're people still laughing that glamour is the true endgame - the event is the proof that it really is haha!
But the freelancer status surely helped at least for me being in Maelstrom, the queues were unbearable

It's definitely shortened queue times but it's also showing the difference between people that are more interested in PVP and folks that just want marks/light and don't care so much about win or lose. Hell I just got vote dismissed from declaring as such in a game before, not that I mind, it was going to be a very slow loss in seal rock, it let me get right back in to a different match that was more engaging.

Worst side of Garo event is I got newbie at frontline and they're brutally killed by 1 premade team... Good thing to make them trauma I guess?

But I really like this collaboration, frontline popped all time.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

There is also no way to read insults and swearing from noob teenager boys. Not that I cared about it personally, but many many people were turned off PvP because of this toxic behaviour. This event is a chance to get them back in a more friendly environment.

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^ This

Except for the occassional hello and pullback....its...quiet. Have I seen tanks grabbing the def bonus at start and getting 10 stacks? Yes. Have melees pushed all the way back to other teams spawn and followed em home to their bedroom, getting killed because of it? Yes. Healers using good ol PvE raises for all? Yep. Are super-advanced strats now being discussed in full detail with the words "Attacking ranged dps!"? Si.

But whoaah~ ...still having fun. No ones spending 7 minutes telling someones mom to get throat cancer and yadda yadda horse yadda 2 donkies. Its refreshing.

I'm just happy that I was able to hide my shield with one of the garo PvP items. The glamour stuff got me interested in PvP stuff again.

I'm both aggravated by the loss of feast chat and support it. I know, strange. I'm aggravated because, of course, I can't communicate with my team when we need to communicate. Otherwise, it's great that I don't have to see all the abuse and rage that I'm sure was in the chat (and why SE just disabled it completely as a result). And so, we need a few more premade messages to get our point across. For example, a message like "focus targets" to tell your dps to attack one person (instead of everyone picking a different target and, as a result, killing no one). We also need messages asking for help from teammates. I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking of at the moment, but adding in additional messages is the way to go to let us at least somewhat formulate strategy while keeping the jerks at bay.

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Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir

We also need messages asking for help from teammates. I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking of at the moment, but adding in additional messages is the way to go to let us at least somewhat formulate strategy while keeping the jerks at bay.

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Agree with the additional messages. I can think of these right off the bat:

"We need 1 more medal to win."

"We need to let the timer run out, don't die, play defense."

"Marked target with huge amount of stacks/medals."

Here's to hoping that SE adds a few more helpful ones that compliment strategy.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

There is also no way to read insults and swearing from noob teenager boys. Not that I cared about it personally, but many many people were turned off PvP because of this toxic behaviour. This event is a chance to get them back in a more friendly environment.

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I have no idea what to do. I don't care if there was swearing between every word if it taught me what to do. Toxicity wouldn't keep me out of PvP, PvP would keep me out of PvP. I just want to win - I want my timed horses.

Nothing in XIV has ever been said that's worse than your average Overwatch Comp match tbh. Y'all got bones of glass and paper skin if ti really bothers you that much.

It's really hard to take people who rage seriously, and if you do, the problem is with you tbh. I learned to find it funny when someone was reacting disproportionately to a minor screwup.

But completely muzzling everyone is riduculous.

No room for teaching, no room for learning, and no room for strat in a team based competitive game.

I'm loving the event. If this event is lasting 6 months, i think it'd be sufficient time to prepare another PVP 6 month event and a continual cycle. I don't think it's too much to ask.

The chat restriction is stupid AF. They could have atleast gave as a disabled by default chat, with an opt-in option with a message reading 'Chat is unfiltered and may be toxic AF. By joining you accept these terms etc etc'....

But....SE. So.

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

And then there're people still laughing that glamour is the true endgame - the event is the proof that it really is haha!
But the freelancer status surely helped at least for me being in Maelstrom, the queues were unbearable

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Likewise, I've been able to PVP every day, something I couldn't do since 3.1 on Primal Maelstrom. To show just how imbalanced the GCs must be in Frontlines - I haven't been in a Maelstrom team since Freelance was introduced & Mael has always had a full Alliance whereas the other teams can be short. Seems the old rumours of Badders & Flamers transferring to Maelstrong was true. ;P

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

There is also no way to read insults and swearing from noob teenager boys. Not that I cared about it personally, but many many people were turned off PvP because of this toxic behaviour. This event is a chance to get them back in a more friendly environment.

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What data center is Cerberus on? Cause I can safely say I never saw anything so bad on Aether, so your mileage may vary. Pyrali however makes the point of all points: Reducing/preventing harrassment is great and all, but not at the cost of gameplay and the ability for players to communicate and teach each other.

You don't solve a problem by creating a bigger one.

Also it should be noted that while Garo is keeping the Feast active (in light of the changes), the improved queue times are more about them finally lifting GC restrictions as per our 3 years of requesting it.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Likewise, I've been able to PVP every day, something I couldn't do since 3.1 on Primal Maelstrom. To show just how imbalanced the GCs must be in Frontlines - I haven't been in a Maelstrom team since Freelance was introduced & Mael has always had a full Alliance whereas the other teams can be short. Seems the old rumours of Badders & Flamers transferring to Maelstrong was true. ;P

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I was in more Failstrom teams than Adders yesterday. Mostly I got Flames though. Either way, my entire alliance was filled with names I didn't know, and nobody directed so we mostly lost horribly. Trying to learn a bit more about the nuances of the game mode before I make some macros for callouts.

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Originally Posted by Pence

I'm loving the event. If this event is lasting 6 months, i think it'd be sufficient time to prepare another PVP 6 month event and a continual cycle.

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That was kinda the idea behind Feast Seasons, except on a shorter cycle (0.05 patch to 0.05 patch). It failed because it catered to the more hardcore PvPers, rather than the average PvE joe.

I feel like there needs to be some sort of player monitored "policing" in Feast, since the Dev/GM team clearly do not want to deal with the insurmountable harassment tickets they must be receiving.

Something akin to the Commendation system we have, but rather it's an Unsportsmanlike Conduct mark you can hand out at the end of the match. This would be on maybe a 2 hour CD, so use it sparingly. If a player receives X amount of marks in a time period, their ability to chat in Feast is TEMPORARILY restricted.

Could this be abused? Sure, no more than the vote dismissed system we already have.

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Originally Posted by Vaeria

... Have I seen tanks grabbing the def bonus at start and getting 10 stacks? Yes. Have melees pushed all the way back to other teams spawn and followed em home to their bedroom, getting killed because of it? Yes. Healers using good ol PvE raises for all? Yep. Are super-advanced strats now being discussed in full detail with the words "Attacking ranged dps!"? Si.

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And all of that done by a Silver tier player that is supposed to be aware of how medal works, how raise works in pvp and so on,
but no, he doesn't know because after ton of match spam no one could tell him hot to act proprely in a ranked game.

I understand the frustration of being insulted costantly, for that I went out of Feast in season 1 and 2,
but actually I think this is as bad as the other option, they REALLY need to adjust it because coordination is too important in a serious 4vs4 match.

The event is much better than I was expecting. The items are priced reasonably and I feel like the mounts are very achievable even if your win rate isn't great.
It's hard to say if this will help the PVP community grow in the long term but at the very least it has gotten many players to try XIV's PVP that may have not otherwise.

Its fine, but yeah i will not last for long i think, but the pvp is now even an option to cap token, even when queue will be slower it will certainly not be 30 minutes of wait again.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

I was in more Failstrom teams than Adders yesterday. Mostly I got Flames though. Either way, my entire alliance was filled with names I didn't know, and nobody directed so we mostly lost horribly. Trying to learn a bit more about the nuances of the game mode before I make some macros for callouts.

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Don't worry, I've been helping your Adders get wins. XD

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Originally Posted by kensatsu

Its fine, but yeah i will not last for long i think, but the pvp is now even an option to cap token, even when queue will be slower it will certainly not be 30 minutes of wait again.

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Token are good as they are, in my opinion when the Garo Fever will end 100 Lore + 40 Scripture will still be appealing for a DR:Frontline once a day for people that are not PvPer or anyway people who not spam it.
If it will become even one of the faster way to get tomes, it will be a pain for all the one who love PvP contents, because in a competitive scenario if half of your party is just taking photo of this bautiful snowy place... I think I could freak out.

i don't think many players afk on the purpose, only few players do that, but offcourse new comers don't have the same experience, many melee is feeding and don't know when to retreat. The pain like you say is more like this and not afk players.