PVP Noob Question

Hi! I started doing pvp yesterday (to get the Garo outfits) as sch (as that's my main) but cleric stance doesn't work? Do I need to do something specific in PVP or does it just not work because I don't see how I'm supposed to really add to DPS so I tend to just stick with Miasma/shadow flare for the debuffs.

Healers don't get cleric stance in PVP as it would be far too OP. Focus your efforts on healing rather than dps, but if you need too just stick to your regular dots.

How about hmm healing?

Don't worry, I do focus on healing =) But the few matches I've been in have I guess been quite tame (as in, I was standing there and no one in my alliances were getting hurt) or my alliances have been spread across half the map at which point it's difficult to do so. But, now that you mention it, I can see how having cleric stance could be a bit much as well. Would replacing it with Surecast be a viable option (I've had a couple white mages holy spamming around the giant ice/rock/crystal things)?

Edit: Also! if I manage to succor and the galvanize is more than the Holy damage, will Holy still stun my team?

Surecast is a really nice option in PvP, especially if you're doing feast.

As far as holy spam, all that does is make your melee immune to stun quicker.

Cool! Thank you =)

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Originally Posted by Rinion

Don't worry, I do focus on healing =) But the few matches I've been in have I guess been quite tame (as in, I was standing there and no one in my alliances were getting hurt) or my alliances have been spread across half the map at which point it's difficult to do so. But, now that you mention it, I can see how having cleric stance could be a bit much as well. Would replacing it with Surecast be a viable option (I've had a couple white mages holy spamming around the giant ice/rock/crystal things)?

Edit: Also! if I manage to succor and the galvanize is more than the Holy damage, will Holy still stun my team?

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I love it when healers do this:

Healer: Holy
DPS: Kiilling Healer
Healer: NOOOO! They're killing us, Holy faster! Holy Faster!

if cleric was given to PvPers, can you imagine a full team with only healers? The game would be broken. At least in PvP healer are expected to heal and not dps since there are A LOT of spike damage...

Better question: Why are you standing so close to ice that you are getting hit by a holy? Don't do that. It's a ranged/mage LB breeding ground. Feel free to position Eos, but not yourself. Also: The Miamas don't apply Heavy in PVP. Read the tooltips

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Originally Posted by Deus_ex_Machina

if cleric was given to PvPers, can you imagine a full team with only healers? The game would be broken. At least in PvP healer are expected to heal and not dps since there are A LOT of spike damage...

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First part is exactly why Clerics was disabled in PVP. There wasn't -that- much spike damage at a time. Hells, i'd still be #1 in kills due to knock back until 3.0.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

How about hmm healing?

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He said he's new and he's legitimately asking for advice. Don't come at him like that. That's the kind of talk that validates people bagging on PvP being "toxic" or uninviting to new people.

New guys ask questions, give them straight answers, and maybe they'll stick around long enough to not be new anymore.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Better question: Why are you standing so close to ice that you are getting hit by a holy? Don't do that. It's a ranged/mage LB breeding ground. Feel free to position Eos, but not yourself. Also: The Miamas don't apply Heavy in PVP. Read the tooltips

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Honestly, I was on the outskirts with a few other casters and an enemy White Mage was Holy spamming us. I'd be too scared to run in when there are so many enemies near by XD The friend I went in with gave me one piece of advice. Stay with the group. So that's what I do...I just try to not stay too close to the melees or I know I'll get massacred by the enemy XD Also, thanks for telling me about Miasma, didn't realise I wasn't applying heavy.

You need to time your Purify. You're stunned for 6 seconds? Fine. Is anyone in troube? No? Don't trigger purify. WHM holy spam is good - they break their own sleep.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

He said he's new and he's legitimately asking for advice. Don't come at him like that. That's the kind of talk that validates people bagging on PvP being "toxic" or uninviting to new people.

New guys ask questions, give them straight answers, and maybe they'll stick around long enough to not be new anymore.

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Nah even if you are new it should be quiet obvious what your job is as healer class. If you have time to cast dps skills you do your job as heal wrong in pvp.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Nah even if you are new it should be quiet obvious what your job is as healer class. If you have time to cast dps skills you do your job as heal wrong in pvp.

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Ok, so what should I be doing instead? How can I help my team more? I'm very much used to being expected to DPS as well as healing/shielding/leeching. So now I'm trying to debuff as well where I can but I'm new to this so I'll need advice. =)

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Originally Posted by Llus

I love it when healers do this:

Healer: Holy
DPS: Kiilling Healer
Healer: NOOOO! They're killing us, Holy faster! Holy Faster!

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As a WHM, I love when the DPS decide to break off of the ice to go kill me. That's when I pop attunement and keep them distracted while my team's DPS earn points.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Nah even if you are new it should be quiet obvious what your job is as healer class. If you have time to cast dps skills you do your job as heal wrong in pvp.

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I main healer in Frontlines; I think I have a pretty solid grasp of the mode and how to use cooldowns to keep myself/others alive. I STILL think I'd have time to DPS in FL, especially in Shatter during ice phase. OP's assumption isn't unusual or unreasonable by any means. There's a lot of downtime during ice. If I had time to Sprint, Swiftcast Repose and Fluid Aura people off ledges in Slaughter (an arguably more hectic and healing-intensive mode than Shatter), I would definitely have time to DPS in Shatter if it weren't so wasteful to do so.

OP, during ice I'll usually just Attunement troll to bait people into wasting DPS on me rather than ice, Celestial Opposition stun a pile of healers/casters to disrupt them, heal people in other parties if they're taking a beating that requires multi-healer support, or re-apply Stoneskins on people who aren't currently taking damage cuz why not. WHM can at least sleep ranged attacking ice and be moderately useful, but aside from giving my team good card buffs as an AST during ice I am usually bored out of my mind. At least the actual PVP parts require me to stay on my toes.