Incoming: A RDM post of ideas

Ive played almost all of the final fantasy games that have been released and I can say that RDM has been one of my favorites amongst many others...But even more so in XI and TTA it was given a spotlight that has hasn't diminished..So with all this talk about RDM coming in the expansion I sat down and thought about what my version of RDM in XIV would be like. A lot of what I put into it comes from different aspects of the job throughout the series'history. My idea is in no way perfect and does not seek to be a replacement or improvement on any aspect of the job that came before. Please post your ideas as well.

Astral Magic:
En-astra Lowers an enemy's defense and gradually deals light damage. (Enhanced sword spell for melee)
Phalanx Raises physical and magic defense.
Cura Restores targets HP.
Dispel Removes one beneficial effect from an enemy.
Tailwind Increases targets attack speed.
Focus Raises resistance to magical damage.
Syphon Drains HP from target, healing for the same amount
White Draw Siphon one enemy's MP and restores own MP.
Sacrifice Use own HP to restore an KO'd target to life.
Vox Removes silence.

Umbral Magic:
En-umbral Weakens an enemy's attacks and gradually deals dark damage.(enhanced sword spell for melee)
Slow Reduces an enemy's attack speed.
Paralyze Paralyzes an enemy.
Blind Blinds an enemy, lowers its accuracy.
Burn Deals fire damage to an enemy and lowers its resistance against fire
frostbite Deals ice damage to an enemy and lowers its resistance against ice.
Choke Deals wind damage to an enemy and lowers its resistance against wind.
Rasp Deals earth damage to an enemy and lowers its resistance against stone.
Shock Deals lightning damage to an enemy and lowers its resistance against thunder.
Drown Deals water damage to an enemy and lowers its resistance against water.

Abilities:
Fast Cast Allows immediate casting of two spells in succession.
Enlightenment Reduces the amount of enmity generated from magic spells and increases magic accuracy.
Sublimation. Transfers enmity to a party member.

P.s. the spells listed are spells traditionally used in past final fantasy games, except for the two sword enhancing spells which I put there to give them something connected to this version of Final Fantasy.

P.s.s My post in now way claims that this is what I want to see or expect to see in XIV version of RDM...Consider it fan fiction.

I think will work in a similar way to other DPS classes. First, they will increase they buff applying skills/Spells, then open a combo with Melee attack, go back, and finish the combo with spells, chaining posterior spells after this. Making the melee combat only as opener to start the rotation. Something similar to Enochian where you need keep it up, you will need keep up wahtever buff gives you the melee attacks. Only needing go melee when you lose it. Probalby will work in this way. About MP magnagement, no much idea, but probably will have a system to drain Mp from the melee attack, like the Drak Knight.

I think the distance wil lbe demanding, melee for combo, ranged for spells. Probably won't let you cast spell on melee range (this way will avoid people stuck in melee all the figth for lazyness), making player change between melee and ranged depending of the rotation.

I don't think will have things like Paralize or Slow. That things probe useless all the time, and probably the rewrok of skill will make them dissapear. Same about elemental resistances.

Maybe they will use melee attacks to regain mp similar to ice attacks for black mage. I think chained spells will increase the speed of attacks and jumping back to ranged distanced will increase the potency of the attack.

I mean this with the upmost respect but your ideas would never work in this game.
First elemental resist and bonuses do not exist, so over half of your umbral magic would be worthless, and giving paralyze to players I feel would be overpowered just my opinion.
Second your astral magic is way too powerful, I mean why would you not have a RDM with half of the abilites you have listed would be beyond me, they can give regen, raise defenses both physical and magic, increase attack speed, remove effects, and raise. I mean did you just look at ast/whm/pld/drk and decide to give RDM all of their key abilities?

I think you really need to rework your list, and remember that it's a DPS, not support, and not a jack of all trades like in other FF games. RDM will be DPS, and is a self chaining sword/staff user, so maybe a debuff or two possible, but nowhere near what your thinking.

Both BRD and MCH are considered DPS...But they provide more support than DPS...

Wew, the top DPS in the world is a Bard and Bards do the most damage of allt he classes. You just gotta be good

You say you've played all the Final Fantasys but you come up with a kit for RDM that is only kind of comparable to FFXI's distorted version of the class. RDM are never the best at anything (except debuffs in FFXI) and yet your kit makes it a master of all (except tanking) and you completely disregard FFXIV's battle system when coming up with its kit. I don't even know.

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Originally Posted by Allistar

Both BRD and MCH are considered DPS...But they provide more support than DPS...

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Well this Isn't gonna happen they have already shown RDM and i'm so excited for it.

I think they are pretty much decided already on what RDM is going to be like.

Actually if you do your research you'll see that it's based on spells and abilities from I, III, xi,and xii. Why do you think xi's version of RDM is distorted...It's no more distorted than xiv version of all the jobs to ever appear in a final fantasy game. Nothing I put there makes RDM over powered...Like we all know...RDM is a jack of all trades master of none... Everything there is set so it has some use with varying situations but in now way will make any other job useless. The enhanced sword spells are for melee situations...The umbral spells are there to help with Blm spells or cross job spells of RDM has access to them...Slow and paralyze are there as a throw back to do days as an enfeebling master. The astral spells are there to support whichever healer RDM teams up with for 4 or 8 man content or when playing solo.

To be honest I like some of the ideas (En-Astral/En-Umbral being a solid replacement for the half-dozen of En-Element spells, for example), but I don't think we're going to see all of those in the game. I'd be happy if Red Mage had a number of self-heals, an MP restoring mechanic, and a combination of Phalanx and Blink to soak damage, and avoid damage, while in melee range.

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Originally Posted by Allistar

Why do you think xi's version of RDM is distorted....

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personally i think your idea of an XIV rdm is no more distorted than all the other FF iterations in that each FF had it's own story line and identity which is what allows SE to give a nod to a classic job in the series and implement it in a way that matches the game it's going to be on. your ideas are nice but i doubt it's going to be anything like it since SE has already given us the preview for the job and pretty much set on what RDM is going to be (there wont be any last minute changes to the job before 4.0 launch but mainly bugtesting and stuff)

not trying to imagine up a brand new job but from what I've seen and read about red mage it is obvious they are mostly trying to just embrace the dps side of the job and the playstyle currently looks to be some hybridization of black mage/ninja and monk to a degree

my current vision of what they have given us so far will be it starts casting like a black mage, the spells likely "charge up" the sword rather than the astral/umbral cycle, once the sword is prepared you go in for melee combos which deplete the sword but charge up a chainspell buff, once the chainspell is prepared you cast it like mudras by picking the components and getting your combined chainspell. rinse and repeat

and it sounds like the healer aspect will be they get a spell like tetragramaton and a res(maybe even an ogc one?)
i'm betting their mp regen will be an additional effect on a sword skill and maybe have a backup whm shroud style one for recovering from mess ups

and then the standard suite of dps cooldowns that are all a little different to fit the flavor of the job while ultimately accomplishing the same thing