I was wondering since we are getting more and more of "this can't be implemented because of server design, you'll get it in 2.0"... Did the old team really make a game and servers where they couldn't implement basic stuff like a proper AH/market system, a delivery system (the list goes on), even a year after launch ?
Or is it simply too difficult and what we are expecting for the year to come is a Primal battle, some Seventh Era content (usual Imperial assault on X camp ?), some crafting/spiritbonding/materialising/melding/breaking gear just to be able to do the same thing when better gear comes with the next patch, and instanced raids/strongholds where the gear are (or will be) less interesting than their crafted counterparts... This every two or three months ?
I am truly willing to pay for this game when it comes to P2P but I would rather have them admit that we will eat artificial content for a year while funding a part of their game's dev than telling us they're doing everything possible to keep us entertained until 2.0. The game is still far from entertaining and I'm not saying that because we're working on timesinks to get gears that will become outdated after two months...
Heck I enjoyed more spamming Dynamis every three days for two years to get a stupid Duelist's Chapeau than doing Ifrit every 15min and dropping nothing out of 50~100 runs. I know they're changing the drop system but they could've simply changed it to what it is in instanced raids. I guess they would rather have us waste time on this, that is their mean of entertainment.
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11-25-2011, 06:19 PMVanfranoAbout server design
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11-25-2011, 06:31 PMTheFatHousecatUnfortunately, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanfrano
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11-25-2011, 06:39 PMBetelgeuzahNobody says they couldn't, now they simply don't have to since they are remaking the servers from scratch.Quote:
Did the old team really make a game and servers where they couldn't implement basic stuff like a proper AH/market system, a delivery system (the list goes on), even a year after launch ?
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11-25-2011, 07:34 PMSephrick
Basically they used an engine optimized for an offline game. It's why FFXIII was such a beautiful, fluid game but XIV is a laggy mess. Crystal Tools just wasn't made to be pulling resources off a sever.
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11-25-2011, 08:12 PMJinko
I actually think its become their one stop excuse for everything, its more likely "we can't be bothered to spend all this time making X feature work when we only have to rip it out in 9-10 months time"
SE used the PS2 limitation a lot in FF11 and this server thing is basically the same IMO.
It's much more likely that the exsisting code is so bad that they are having a hard time changing things without it causing issues elsewhere. -
11-25-2011, 08:20 PMSoukyuu
Agree with you, Jinko.
What I read because of your typo. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephrick
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11-25-2011, 08:23 PMVanfrano
Indeed that is what I'm thinking too, Jinko.
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11-25-2011, 08:27 PMAntipika
Here's your problem :
I mean really if a game is not entertaining, at least in some ways for you, then what's the point in playing? Wouldn't it be better to quit for a bit and come back later one?Quote:
The game is still far from entertaining
SE will not admit something like "you'll eat artificial content for the upcoming year while we keep charging you". Just deal with it :x
There is just no point for SE to fix certain things now, faster and more realistic to add them straight to 2.0. -
11-25-2011, 08:32 PMRentahamsterSounds plausible. Whatever the issue, I hope they resolve it faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
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11-25-2011, 08:42 PMindira
thanks to them making it on the P.O.S. PS3 now were locked to that things specs, the pc game will be forever gimped.
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11-25-2011, 09:12 PMSoukyuuServer design has nothing to do with the PS3, PS3's network capability is the same as of a netbook or a high-end gaming rig. Don't confuse it with the graphics engine, which shouldn't be a problem either if they do it right this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by indira
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11-25-2011, 10:45 PMRuisuDon't know what you're bitching about. There's really no loss from the PC version thanks to the PS3 release. We're getting mod support, which the PS3 doesn't get. Better draw distances, which the PS3 won't get, and just more stuff on the screen all around, which the PS3 doesn't get.Quote:
Originally Posted by indira
Sounds to me that the PS3 players are being screwed over due because of the PS3 not being anywhere near as flexible as a PC, but okay. -
11-26-2011, 01:37 AMElexiaActually, it's because of the serverside interface is why XIV is a laggy mess. If the interface itself was clientside it wouldn't be as bad as it is, because that would mean even XIII/XIII-2's and Versus XIII's interface would lag to high heaven, since pulling resources from a server is no different from pulling resources off the disk, both are essentially the same process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephrick
Serious question: Do you even know the specs of the PS2? That it was released in 2000 and 2001? Do you know that an MMO requires quite a bit more than an offline title? Only people who can't see it from both perspectives will find anything an excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
"Oh we can't do 16 bit graphics on the Famicom/NES and we're pretty limited in color palette..."
"NO THAT'S EXCUSE STOP MAKING EXCUSES!" -
11-26-2011, 01:38 AMSoukyuuExcept that your disk doesn't sit half a planet away, separated by shitty servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
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11-26-2011, 01:41 AMElexiaHeh, this again? It's been proven with FFXI that distance doesn't matter. I was even able to play Rift from outside of the US just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soukyuu
What matters is if your game and servers are optimized, XIV, which SE THEMSELVES admitted, is not. -
11-26-2011, 01:46 AMSoukyuueven with a latency of over 800ms? I once played a game which had 1400ms latency and it was a lot worse than FFXIV, with client side UI. Distance may not matter, latency does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
And a latency of some ns (SSD) or ms (HDD) is still a lot less than the 400ms i have now. -
11-26-2011, 02:13 AMAntipikaIf PS3/PC players aren't separated, you can be almost certain that the overall gameplay will suffer because of PS3 players. Especially if PvP becomes important (i.e. not as useless as in XI) on XIV. To make things fair between PC and PS3 players, expect some gameplay tweaks to be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruisu