Needs More?

FFXI always had some reason or thing that always needed doing that made you want to log in or aim for that goal, aka gear, lvl, mission.

V still needs work. How much of the percentage has already capped out most or even all jobs? I guess aiming for seven IFRIT weapons should be the way? I think alot of people play just because it's the FF brand and it's habit.

Make me want to log in and play? I'm tired of wondering. I guess we should all play cause we get the chance to be able to get some lame title that says two years before the new version came out we put up with the beta?

It's just a thought, but maybe FF XI has so many content because it is 9 years old?

I barely even scraped content in xi cuz i was grinding so long. I'm fine with xiv adding content as we go, eventually we'll have enough content, especially when an expansion drops. but for now, if your getting bored, why not reroll a different storyline :/

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Originally Posted by Felis

It's just a thought, but maybe FF XI has so many content because it is 9 years old?

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Of course, but you can't honestly be comparing the standard of MMORPGS 9 years ago compared to today.

If people are paying for an MMORPG (subscriptions start next month) there should almost always be something left to do.

FFXIV lacks severely in this department and unfortunately 1.20 doesn't seem to be brimming with content either.

What they should be doing is encouraging people to work on their DoH + DoL by implementing XP chains.

Lets face it, a lot of the people bickering about lack of content refuse to level their crafts based on the ludicrous leveling curve and material gilsink to max it.

You can't even compare the time/effort it takes to Max your DoW/DoM to that of DoL/DoH.

And lets be honest, leveling DoW/DoM is a lot more enjoyable than the tedious "Minigames" of crafting/gathering.

is really really hard for me to say this but,..... there is content, but ppl say there is not enough, is adding, and explain'ed alraedy but seems some doesnt even want to understand the reason why is not implemented, is going to come but you just going to go on and on saying need more content.

Can't ya just wait it out? is being sort out like duno how many time being talk to. =.=.

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Originally Posted by Fiske

I guess we should all play cause we get the chance to be able to get some lame title that says two years before the new version came out we put up with the beta?

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You act like SE is holding a gun on your head if you don't play.

You should play if you think it's worth it. Is it not worth it? If so, don't play. Instead of bawww'ing on the forums with people that do think it's worth it. You don't speak for anyone but yourself here.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

is really really hard for me to say this but,..... there is content, but ppl say there is not enough, is adding, and explain'ed alraedy but seems some doesnt even want to understand the reason why is not implemented, is going to come but you just going to go on and on saying need more content.

Can't ya just wait it out? is being sort out like duno how many time being talk to. =.=.

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nice try, but you know talking to this forum community is like talking to a wall

@OP : tell us something we dont know

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

You act like SE is holding a gun on your head if you don't play.

You should play if you think it's worth it. Is it not worth it? If so, don't play. Instead of bawww'ing on the forums with people that do think it's worth it. You don't speak for anyone but yourself here.

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Well if SE value feedback (which they are constantly reminding us that they do), then they will want to know if players are feeling like there is little/nothing left to do.

I don't think theres anything wrong with saying "I've maxed my jobs, beaten all the dungeons, done the main story and I feel like theres nothing of importance left to do"

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Originally Posted by Avraym

Well if SE value feedback (which they are constantly reminding us that they do), then they will want to know if players are feeling like there is little/nothing left to do.

I don't think theres anything wrong with saying "I've maxed my jobs, beaten all the dungeons, done the main story and I feel like theres nothing of importance left to do"

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That's easy to find out. Are people playing less, are subs dropping? Coming to the forums to bitch, if it doesn't lead anywhere, is hardly feedback that matters. On the other hand, OP could have got the point across by just stopping to play due to lack of content.

On the other hand, "we need more content" really is not much of useful feedback. Every MMO dev knows that whatever amount of content they put out, players demand more. But if the sub numbers are stable, meaning the demands don't really lead anywhere, then they are putting out enough content.

There's anything wrong with quitting a game when you have nothing to do. You don't have to come out and say anything. That's what most people do, and that's far better way to get your point across than bitching yet still hanging around.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

There's anything wrong with quitting a game when you have nothing to do. You don't have to come out and say anything. That's what most people do, and that's far better way to get your point across than bitching yet still hanging around.

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Perhaps his tone and wording could use some revision but I think his case in point is fair.

The dev's have always stressed that they want our opinions on the patches.

I think they'd rather us say "Theres not enough here", respond with, "Okay, we'll try and implement more things to do in the next patch" than to stop subscribing all together.

FFXIV always felt like a collaberation between the dev's and the players, more than any other game. I don't think its like other games where you just leave when theres nothing left.

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Originally Posted by Avraym

I think they'd rather us say "Theres not enough here", respond with, "Okay, we'll try and implement more things to do in the next patch" than to stop subscribing all together.

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But then they don't have any incentive to do so. There has to be an incentive for a corporation to spend more resources on the product. If there is no clear benefit for doing so, there is no incentive either. It's not a charity organization.

FFXIV is only a collaboration to the level in which it helps the company to meet their bottom line. Also, it is a customer's choice and almost a responsibility to leave when there is nothing left to do. Not doing so only gives the corporation the excuse to not perform better.

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Originally Posted by Avraym

Perhaps his tone and wording could use some revision but I think his case in point is fair.

The dev's have always stressed that they want our opinions on the patches.

I think they'd rather us say "Theres not enough here", respond with, "Okay, we'll try and implement more things to do in the next patch" than to stop subscribing all together.

FFXIV always felt like a collaberation between the dev's and the players, more than any other game. I don't think its like other games where you just leave when theres nothing left.

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and his point is something we already know. If he look at the letter, there ll be 2 more dungeon add at next patch and if he doesn't like that quit the game is his best option

got bored made +86crit +1 hauby, guess I should hang around and try to make the gilz back.

XI's content built up over the years, it released with little to nothing to do but level (just like XIV, honestly worse then XIV at launch). But as they added NMs and endgame it all started piling up and no content became little content, which go to the point of being semi acceptable, then zilart hit and there was more then you could do. Wotg and treasures added tons. At that point there was more then you could literally do in a months time if you did something every night for 5hrs.

So XI was considered to be one of the best mmo's endgame wise by many people due to the mosterous amount of things to do. (could play that game 20,000 Rl hours and not run out of things to do... no other game besides maby EQ or Lineage could do that). Things where negated somewhat, but every event from NA release was valid until Abysea's release. Giving XI probably the largest valid endgame/midgames of any mmo to date (pre-abysea). Some rare level 30 drops where good at endgame for example keeping people doing the whole games content for 8yrs almost.

XIV actually now has a decent amount content (still below the amount of a standard western quest/dungeon grinder though). 3 dungeons, 3 faction bosses, 5 hard nms, 15-16 lesser nms, 3 settlements, ifrit, moogle in the next expansion, around 150ish non-leve quest, around 200ish leve quest, 30ish Factions, and numerous gathering and crafting leves and a ton of classes to level.

But XIV has the western problem of mmos atm, which is negated content every patch. All that above in the end is turned into 3 settlements and ifrit. Darkhold is negated, the 5 hard nms are negated, faction bosses are negated. So 60% of endgame is negated more or less. On top of that it is crazy fast to level in groups so why spend time getting subpar sp in the 10 and 25 dungeons just to be above the level where the gear is worthwhile in a 3-4days. So essentially if you want to focus on progress the 10 and 25 dungeon are negated because gear is replaces too fast and the SP fails hardcore in those places compared to the open world.

Unlike XI, XIV is not building up content. Atm XIV has the same amount of valid content as it did back in Nov of last year... it is new stuff, but the same quantity of valid content that is worth doing. Unless they start releasing content 5 times as fast or stop negating everything... the game will always be in a perpetual state of not enough content, which is easily the #1 problem in the game atm. (lot of annoyances and unfinished things, but without enough content even with those perfect the game will suck)

I am waiting to see what the moogle fight will bring, if those weapons will trump ifrit's weapons... if so then ifrit is also negated. This is my fear atm... and I do not think the devs are even realizing how horrible this is with the lack of stuff to do already.

^^ points ^

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

and his point is something we already know. If he look at the letter, there ll be 2 more dungeon add at next patch and if he doesn't like that quit the game is his best option

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Thats the next patch after (1.21). Which is early feb most likely (3 months away).

I'd say his best option is to express his opinion. If enough people say, "this isn't enough" but keep subscribing at the promise of more content, its win-win for both SE and the Players ran than them losing a large amount of their player base.

Theres been more threads now about needing something to do than ever.

It's obviously an issue that shouldn't be resolved by quitting.

ifrit died with randoms... needs more.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

XI's content built up over the years, it released with little to nothing to do but level (just like XIV, honestly worse then XIV at launch). But as they added NMs and endgame it all started piling up and no content became little content, which go to the point of being semi acceptable, then zilart hit and there was more then you could do. Wotg and treasures added tons. At that point there was more then you could literally do in a months time if you did something every night for 5hrs.

So XI was considered to be one of the best mmo's endgame wise by many people due to the mosterous amount of things to do. (could play that game 20,000 Rl hours and not run out of things to do... no other game besides maby EQ or Lineage could do that). Things where negated somewhat, but every event from NA release was valid until Abysea's release. Giving XI probably the largest valid endgame/midgames of any mmo to date (pre-abysea). Some rare level 30 drops where good at endgame for example keeping people doing the whole games content for 8yrs almost.

XIV actually now has a decent amount content (still below the amount of a standard western quest/dungeon grinder though). 3 dungeons, 3 faction bosses, 5 hard nms, 15-16 lesser nms, 3 settlements, ifrit, moogle in the next expansion, around 150ish non-leve quest, around 200ish leve quest, 30ish Factions, and numerous gathering and crafting leves and a ton of classes to level.

But XIV has the western problem of mmos atm, which is negated content every patch. All that above in the end is turned into 3 settlements and ifrit. Darkhold is negated, the 5 hard nms are negated, faction bosses are negated. So 60% of endgame is negated more or less. On top of that it is crazy fast to level in groups so why spend time getting subpar sp in the 10 and 25 dungeons just to be above the level where the gear is worthwhile in a 3-4days. So essentially if you want to focus on progress the 10 and 25 dungeon are negated because gear is replaces too fast and the SP fails hardcore in those places compared to the open world.

Unlike XI, XIV is not building up content. Atm XIV has the same amount of valid content as it did back in Nov of last year... it is new stuff, but the same quantity of valid content that is worth doing. Unless they start releasing content 5 times as fast or stop negating everything... the game will always be in a perpetual state of not enough content, which is easily the #1 problem in the game atm. (lot of annoyances and unfinished things, but without enough content even with those perfect the game will suck)

I am waiting to see what the moogle fight will bring, if those weapons will trump ifrit's weapons... if so then ifrit is also negated. This is my fear atm... and I do not think the devs are even realizing how horrible this is with the lack of stuff to do already.

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xatsh nailed I would love to do dark hold and or world nms again but there's no interest or point.

I think a lot of resources went into restructuring and repairing components of FFXIV. If all focus was on content we'd have a lot of new content.

In XI, i logged in for my friends/community, and gear that dropped from NM's/events.