Nero and Crystal tower raid (spoilers)

Good day

Once again Im surprised by the heroes behavior. Yesterday the Garlemand officers were the enemies №1, but now what? They are friends? Why our strange heroes, when Nero appeared near the Crystal Tower didnt try to kill him or at least capture and bring him to the judgment and then, Im sure, he would be imprisoned forever?

I wonder why the behavior of our heroes so unlogical and totally stupid. Did the Empire disappear? No. Is Nero still the garlemand officer? YES! He is still the bloody enemy. So why noone cares about such enemy nearby?

I cant understand the stupidity on the storyline

yea man totally bro

It's been a long, long time since I did these quests, but if I recall correctly the feeling was that the Crystal Tower was the greater concern and needed to be dealt with pronto. Nero's help would get the job done much more quickly and so for the time being an uneasy truce was established. And, of course, when it was over, we lost track of Nero when he became corrupted by the darkness, and so couldn't haul him in once the truce had ended.

This kinda thing crops up in fiction all the time; good guys temporarily allying with bad guys when their interests happen to coincide. You're certainly entitled to the opinion that it wasn't handled very gracefully in this case, but I'm pretty sure that's what the writers were aiming for. Yeah, Nero is a bad guy, but in dealing with the Crystal Tower he was a USEFUL bad guy, and so we set aside our differences... for now.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

It's been a long, long time since I did these quests.

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Ok, maybe he is useful. But when he just appeared, noone even tried to offence! After the offence, after the Nero capture and after the breaking of his face and bones, ok, maybe after his "dont kill me, I have something to say", heroes can cooperate. But only after

Nero was pretty much a free agent by that point. Giaus had operated without approval from the Garlemald mainland and with such a catastrophic failure Nero as the highest ranking survivor would face the blame if he returned home. He would be lucky if he wasn't executed for it.

Even as an enemy though, he came with clearly no intention to fight so its not like we are just going to lynch him. Instead he came with to offer a deal. He aids us and we allow him to tag along. Consider he is on Cid's level of technical genius and we were struggling with the Allagan tech which he had some experience dealing with, it was a compelling offer.

Just out of curiousity, are you this guy here?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Titan-one-try


XD

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Originally Posted by Onyxys

You just want to talk, another unskilled player? Step aside. Next!!!!

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Nero is a good guy!

My guess was along the lines that Cid always interposed on Nero's behalf. The two were friends once, after all, and even if that friendship may never return, I think Cid acknowledged Nero for the value he had as an ally. Its also worth noting that, by now, Nero is a deserter. He's no longer working for the Garlean Empire and is no doubt one of the more lucrative marks on their hit lists. As for his actions in 2.0, he was the head engineer. I don't believe he committed crimes directly against Eorzea in the way some of Gaius' other underlings did. Its not like he went out of his way to shoot lalafell kids in the head or lined up Roes and shot them execution style. He made Ultima operational, and even the leaders of the Eorzean Alliance were tempted by the idea of never having to deal with the Primals again thanks to the Ultima Weapon.

There is virtually no reason to trust him. However, there is reason to value his skills.

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Originally Posted by Xyno

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"In times of peace, never forget the possibility or war.
"In times of war, never forget compassion."

Maybe not friends, but there's something to be said about not turning into something just as bloody or ruthless as your adversaries, least you be just as cruel as they.

That being said, the real enemy are the Ascians, not Garlemald and its denizens. It wouldn't surprise me if Garlemald's sudden boon in history came from the Ascians, telling them to purge Eorzea of the primals, much like the Warriors of Darkness were doing for a time.

The beast tribes we help and are allied with are just as much of an enemy as he. Remember, even Aymeric's companion, Lucia, is Garlean was found to be a stalwart ally in the end once she was won over.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

It wouldn't surprise me if Garlemald's sudden boon in history came from the Ascians, telling them to purge Eorzea of the primals, much like the Warriors of Darkness were doing for a time.

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Call me crazy, but I'm hoping this isn't the case. Its nice if, now and then, a bad guy is a bad guy not because they're being manipulated by cosmic forces, but just because they're greedy and ambitious. Sometimes its nice when someone does bad things for good reasons, because they're just a person. I'm happy thinking the Garleans consider themselves to be the true successors of the Allagan Empire and that all the conquest is them diligently following this manifest destiny that the world is theirs and they must bring it under a single banner for peace and prosperity.

Their methods leave much to be desired, but their ultimate end-goals aren't something one can really argue against; Peace, Prosperity, and Security for all.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

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I mean, lore wise, Garlemald was kind of... failing. Badly. The land is harsh due to very little aether with extremely cold and bitter winters and summers are rampant with violent storms. They were brought low by roaming tribes of Hyur and their raiding and had to hire outside help to fend them off. However, their hired mercenaries demanded compensation and negotiations failed and the mercenaries left. Some 570 years later, they began using Magitek in battle that begin their push for domination in neighboring city-states, the first of which is Dalmasca.

They were pretty silent in between those times of the mercenaries leaving and Solus zos Galvus pushing for use of magitek in war.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

It's been a long, long time since I did these quests, but if I recall correctly the feeling was that the Crystal Tower was the greater concern and needed to be dealt with pronto.

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Having just done these quests a couple days ago, I gotta agree with the OP that this story was... not well done, at least on the part of Nero. His presence felt very weird throughout the entire thing, as everyone basically ignores him and lets him do his own thing after he and Cid exchange a couple harsh words. The WoL and friends behave far too trusting to be believed, and his exchanges when you're in the Void (especially when running away) felt very out of left field for the way the character had been established up until now. I see what the writers were trying to do, but it was super clunky in execution.

That said, as I haven't quite exhausted all the quests in this game, I must know - are the plot threads of Nero and G'raha Tia ever picked up again? Or have they just been dangling since the last installment of the Crystal Tower? (Also, will SE ever grow tired of killing and/or metaphorically fridging all of their actually good characters???)

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Originally Posted by SilkaN

Just out of curiousity, are you this guy here?
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Titan-one-try


XD

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wow that's nostalgic, I actually remember reading that post back in 2013. Good times.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Having just done these quests a couple days ago, I gotta agree with the OP that this story was... not well done, at least on the part of Nero. His presence felt very weird throughout the entire thing, as everyone basically ignores him and lets him do his own thing after he and Cid exchange a couple harsh words. The WoL and friends behave far too trusting to be believed, and his exchanges when you're in the Void (especially when running away) felt very out of left field for the way the character had been established up until now. I see what the writers were trying to do, but it was super clunky in execution.

That said, as I haven't quite exhausted all the quests in this game, I must know - are the plot threads of Nero and G'raha Tia ever picked up again? Or have they just been dangling since the last installment of the Crystal Tower? (Also, will SE ever grow tired of killing and/or metaphorically fridging all of their actually good characters???)

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Spoiler if haven't progressed through all of CT.












The only thing Nero cared about was upstaging Cid after he had left. Nero saw Cid as a rival and when the rival left he was unable to have that opportunity to prove he was better than Cid. That made him bitter and caused him to join the military because it would get him closer to Cid. Crystal tower was his opportunity to prove he was better than Cid, he wasn't lying when he said he had no ill intent towards them in terms of seeing them as enemies because his actual objective, the whole reason he allied with Gaius was so that he could settle his rivalry with Cid.

That's why when he loses near the end of the 2.0 story he doesn't sacrifice his life cause unlike the other members of Gaius gang who were happy to throw their lives away for him, Nero never had any intention of dying for him.

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Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro

wow that's nostalgic, I actually remember reading that post back in 2013. Good times.

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