More action oriented combat! ~no auto-attack~

So, the past day I have been playing Blade 'n Soul. It made me miss the old "action" combat we used to have(ya know, pressing 111111). The game is in closed beta and is sooooo fun. I feel like I'm playing an... anime. It also has great animation for everything. Though the animation I like is the jumping/running. I am one of those people who doesn't like jumping, but the way they implemented them, it's, pretty/fun. You can even jump in the air and attack. All I have to say is, FFXIV would be amazing with a more action combat system like we used to have. So, they should have used their resources to build off that old system and not use AA.

That is ok, I'm not expecting anything from making this thread, just thought I would share my opinion. Also, blade n soul~ The first part of it, is more epic than the last CS in FFXIV!~ I need more epic CS in my FF!

Rather than having the slow combat they do now, they should have made the game ARPG similar to DC Universe Online. Spells still have animations but no animation locks, you are more free to run around, able to dodge some special attacks and overall the combat feels more fluid, similar to a fighting game. I think that would make the game a lot more fun, rather than standing around trying to generate TP only to use it all on one TP Spell and then sit there building more TP.

too late for full action.Thread over

People were sick of spamming 11111111111 so SE gave us auto attack, now you want 11111111 back, wont happen because the community already said they wanted auto attack, find the people that asked for it in the first place its because of them that we have auto attack.

Cant people make up thier minds, one day they want something, and the next they dont.

We need another Gath derailment in here.

Getting rid of Auto-Attack:

1. Create a Macro
2. "/echo <me> hits <t> for x amount of damage."
3. Turn on Toggle Macro
4. Attack Mob
5. Press CTRL or ALT
6. Keep pressing 1
7. Are you still pressing 1?
8. Good boy.

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Auto-Attack is fine the way it is now. No need to turn this game into Final Kombat. FINISH HIM!

i'd say way to late for this, the toolbags that like to afk and get exp and duel box, and rmt, and all the wonderfull things like semi afk watching tv or be able to leech exp and whatever else won the fight and they gave them auto attack. the old system revamped and worked on like op said would of been way better. it just needed fixing not totally redone. but oh well. long live tanaka lmao.

edit, mmmm tera is probably gonna be great by time it gets to NA launch since it's coming out with a full blown expansion and it's all action like the op mentions. can't wait to see it in action.

Worst thread ever.

what is the point of pressing 1 all the time when you have to execute actions/spells with different keys or with the click of a mouse anyways?

is the third beta going on?

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Though the animation I like is the jumping/running. I am one of those people who doesn't like jumping, but the way they implemented them, it's, pretty/fun. You can even jump in the air and attack.

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Ever heard of this saying, I don't know maybe you guys haven't because it's so unused, "Don't knock it til you try it?"

This should be posted on all one million jump hating threads.

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Originally Posted by Lavani

Rather than having the slow combat they do now, they should have made the game ARPG similar to DC Universe Online. Spells still have animations but no animation locks, you are more free to run around, able to dodge some special attacks and overall the combat feels more fluid, similar to a fighting game. I think that would make the game a lot more fun, rather than standing around trying to generate TP only to use it all on one TP Spell and then sit there building more TP.

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I have to agree with this. I gave DCUO a shot finally since it's free now, and the combat is hella fun. Button combo's rock!!

Or.. since they are currently rewriting everything for 2.0, maybe they still have time to copy Skyrim's combat. I've had difficulty pulling myself away from that, even to hit 50 here.

I personally like the battle style in XIV. Server response time for actions and abilities is effectively masking its full potential. It feels numb, and incomplete. With new servers and further action/ability balance I can only imagine how entertaining it could be.

Yeah, action-based fighting (like Phantasy Star Online/Universe, Star Ocean/Tales of, Tera, etc) is ten times better than auto-attacking garbage. But that's the route SE is headed, and nobody can stop it at this point.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

So, the past day I have been playing Blade 'n Soul. It made me miss the old "action" combat we used to have(ya know, pressing 111111). The game is in closed beta and is sooooo fun. I feel like I'm playing an... anime. It also has great animation for everything. Though the animation I like is the jumping/running. I am one of those people who doesn't like jumping, but the way they implemented them, it's, pretty/fun. You can even jump in the air and attack. All I have to say is, FFXIV would be amazing with a more action combat system like we used to have. So, they should have used their resources to build off that old system and not use AA.

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that s why the FF fanboys base need to play different game before suggest.

sing: It s to late to apologize

Now you are demanding the franchise to have actually good gameplay? You are 10 years too late for that.

It is telling that a franchise with superior gameplay (Tales of) is vastly outsold by franchise with no gameplay (Final Fantasy). It is also telling that the "fans" want the franchise to go back to not having any gameplay like "the good JRPG's of the generation" (Lost Odyssey).

It is a hole that was not dug only by the developers but the fans who don't know what they want. Fans that put tradition on a pedestal while sacrificing gameplay in the process.

Use a gamepad it makes it way more fun. if you dont have one use your ps3 controller, it works wonders on the action level. even with auto attack i actually get a sense of action with having to time my ability use, and and just watching my character whoop butt.

besides, what is action on a controller supposed to be? mashing the a/x button? gtfo >.<

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Originally Posted by AceofRains

Use a gamepad it makes it way more fun. if you dont have one use your ps3 controller, it works wonders on the action level. even with auto attack i actually get a sense of action with having to time my ability use, and and just watching my character whoop butt.

besides, what is action on a controller supposed to be? mashing the a/x button? gtfo >.<

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lol scrolling left, right, up and down is definitely a niche taste.

i dont play this game on controller but i HAAATED white knight chronicles for thinking that type of gameplay was a good idea.
you seriously dont find it tedious and annoying not being able to just hit whichever button you keybound your ability to?

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

lol scrolling left, right, up and down is definitely a niche taste.

i dont play this game on controller but i HAAATED white knight chronicles for thinking that type of gameplay was a good idea.
you seriously dont find it tedious and annoying not being able to just hit whichever button you keybound your ability to?

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I'll admit I do become conscious of it, but I'm used to it. It actually feels more like I'm playing a game than just sitting their zombifying like I did in XI. I find keyboard controls to be inferior for the feel of xiv although i prefer a keyboard on xi.
A lot of rpgs have you cycle through menus to select an ability. Also, cycling through my menu gives a bit of down time between my skill animations, by the time I get to my next skill the animation has progressed far enough for me to actually select the next skill. Like I said, I'd really rather not mash x/a the whole time. Strategy is key to me, not button mashing. Plus things that are urgent cast are usually macros so that helps too.
If you've played any rpg with a controller, which I'm sure ALL of us have, then the feel for it kicks in naturally.

Most gamers today are just lazy. :/
It's hardly even a matter of efficiency either.

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Originally Posted by AceofRains

I'll admit I do become conscious of it, but I'm used to it. It actually feels more like I'm playing a game than just sitting their zombifying like I did in XI. I find keyboard controls to be inferior for the feel of xiv although i prefer a keyboard on xi.
A lot of rpgs have you cycle through menus to select an ability. Also, cycling through my menu gives a bit of down time between my skill animations, by the time I get to my next skill the animation has progressed far enough for me to actually select the next skill. Like I said, I'd really rather not mash x/a the whole time. Strategy is key to me, not button mashing. Plus things that are urgent cast are usually macros so that helps too.
If you've played any rpg with a controller, which I'm sure ALL of us have, then the feel for it kicks in naturally.

Most gamers today are just lazy. :/
It's hardly even a matter of efficiency either.

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RPGs are very slow in action compared to how i enjoy playing MMOs. when i play an MMO i have a handful of abilities and go through very specific ability rotations that change according to my exact situation which changes depending on how many mobs and which type of mobs (bosses etc.)
therefore, if you want to survive and thrive, lazyness does not exist in the realm of MMORPGs that ive played.

im constantly eyeing cooldowns, mob positions, and agro ranges while in combat.
My left hand is keeping up these various rotations, and my right hand is on the mouse controlling my camera angles and my characters movement/position.
these are things that do not exist in RPGs.
I play regular RPGs which you speak of to relax and i play MMOs because i want the action.
not really sure where you see lazyness in any of that.

i think if you were to replace your enjoyment of the arrow keys for a handful of keybinded abilities you might see what i mean as far as action.
WoW clones are all standard MMORPGs, however, there are two things that make them simulate ARPGs.
1 is the greater lack of ability locking
2 is the lack of scrolling and menus needed to execute abilities.

if 2.0s new seperate UI proves to be what i think its going to be, then i dont see how controller users are going to be able to keep up with some of us experienced hardcore KB/Mouse users. we have the advantage of several tens of keys right at our fingertips while controller users have to keep scrolling.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

RPGs are very slow in action compared to how i enjoy playing MMOs. when i play an MMO i have a handful of abilities and go through very specific ability rotations that change according to my exact situation which changes depending on how many mobs and which type of mobs (bosses etc.)
therefore, if you want to survive and thrive, lazyness does not exist in the realm of MMORPGs that ive played.

im constantly eyeing cooldowns, mob positions, agro ranges while in combat. My left hand is keeping up these various rotations, and my right hand is on the mouse controlling my camera angles and my characters movement/position.
these are things that do not exist in RPGs.
I play regular RPGs which you speak of to relax and i play MMOs because i want the action.
not really sure where you see lazyness in any of that.

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Too lazy to cycle through a list I mean. Its almost the same with a controller, just a preferred style. Sorry I shouldn't have offended keyboarders >.<

but honestly, the down right main reason I HATE key board with the action pallete is from #5-0
My hands arnt built for reaching aaaalll the way across a keyboard while keeping an eye on timers and positions.
I have to look down, see where my hand is and such. If I use keyboard, my right hand is either on camera controls or the mouse. Either way, my left and is handling all the skills and I can't deal with that. I know a controller without every having to take my eyes away, so I've adapted to its use. :/

Ill pass on typing out code as I play the game.

I just want to throw this out there.

I've always known Final Fantasy to be a strategic RPG, not an action base RPG. Sure there is other games that is action base rpg like Tales etc, but that is because they've always been that way. FFXIII being the exception.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

I've always known Final Fantasy to be a strategic RPG.

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And a crappy one at that. Tactics Ogre, FFT, all wipe the floor in comparison to the main entries' "strategy", which translates to "this fire mob might be best beaten by using ICE MAGIC." What a puzzle!

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Originally Posted by AceofRains

Too lazy to cycle through a list I mean. Its almost the same with a controller, just a preferred style. Sorry I shouldn't have offended keyboarders >.<

but honestly, the down right main reason I HATE key board with the action pallete is from #5-0
My hands arnt built for reaching aaaalll the way across a keyboard while keeping an eye on timers and positions.
I have to look down, see where my hand is and such. If I use keyboard, my right hand is either on camera controls or the mouse. Either way, my left and is handling all the skills and I can't deal with that. I know a controller without every having to take my eyes away, so I've adapted to its use. :/

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first off, not to be offensive but i had to learn to move my hand across the keyboard without having to look at my hands because the pace of battles does not allow for that amount of time.
my friends are better at it than me, but they can essentially hit any key with their pointer finger without a second thought with almost perfect accuracy.
this effort (and probably talent) is to me the exact opposite of lazy and seems to me using menus is more of the easy way out.
why ride a bike when you can drive a car if both are staring at you in the face?

luckily for me my hands reach from the squiggly before 1 all the way to #8, ive learned to not have to eye E,R,F,T,V and B, but my fingers tend to slip when i keybind Z,X,C,G,H and Q
the short hand numbers are used for certain long lasting buffs and useable combat items.

it just saddens me this game was designed for the gamepad and not KB/Mouse.

im so sick of having RE-PRESS ENTER EVERY TIME I MOVE MY CAMERA ANGLE IN ORDER TO REACTIVATE MY ACTION BAR. btw, wtf is the point of activating your action bar anyway? why cant it at least stay activated until i press deactivate?

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

And a crappy one at that. Tactics Ogre, FFT, all wipe the floor in comparison to the main entries' "strategy", which translates to "this fire mob might be best beaten by using ICE MAGIC." What a puzzle!

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same scenario with rts rpg

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Originally Posted by Andrien

same scenario with rts rpg

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You only wish that was the case. There are worse and better strategic rpgs though. FF is just the worst.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

first off, not to be offensive but i had to learn to move my hand across the keyboard without having to look at my hands because the pace of battles does not allow for that amount of time.
my friends are better at it than me, but they can essentially hit any key with their pointer finger without a second thought with almost perfect accuracy.
this effort (and probably talent) is to me the exact opposite of lazy and seems to me using menus is more of the easy way out.
why ride a bike when you can drive a car if both are staring at you in the face?

luckily for me my hands reach from the squiggly before 1 all the way to #8, ive learned to not have to eye E,R,F,T,V and B, but my fingers tend to slip when i keybind Z,X,C,G,H and Q
the short hand numbers are used for certain long lasting buffs and useable combat items.

it just saddens me this game was designed for the gamepad and not KB/Mouse.

im so sick of having RE-PRESS ENTER EVERY TIME I MOVE MY CAMERA ANGLE IN ORDER TO REACTIVATE MY ACTION BAR. btw, wtf is the point of activating your action bar anyway? why cant it at least stay activated until i press deactivate?

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Meh I'm done with the controller/keyboard argument, its what ever floats you. If you plan your skill on the bar right, its almost equal in access weather you use either one.
As for the action bar :/ its the form of engaging your foe. there is an option to have it always displayed, but other than that you gotta activate to engage.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

And a crappy one at that. Tactics Ogre, FFT, all wipe the floor in comparison to the main entries' "strategy", which translates to "this fire mob might be best beaten by using ICE MAGIC." What a puzzle!

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hahah, my summation of base FF strategy is either being a high enough level to not have to worry about items/abilities due to hours of excess mob grinding, or by spamming items/heals to stay alive while zerging/nuking the enemy.

FF has never cared much for manual movement on the battle field, its all so very stationary.

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Originally Posted by AceofRains

Meh I'm done with the controller/keyboard argument, its what ever floats you. If you plan your skill on the bar right, its almost equal in access weather you use either one.
As for the action bar :/ its the form of engaging your foe. there is an option to have it always displayed, but other than that you gotta activate to engage.

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yes, i know this. YYYY must i activate it to engage? why does it dissengage by the mere movement of the camera angle? again, if they feel some odd necessity for this action bar engagement which does not exist in any MMO in history that i can think of, then why not add an engage/dissengage button so i dont have to constantly reengage it in the middle of battles?

consider this.
Combos are coming out which focus almost entirely on mob position. its generally a good idea to have your camera behind you, target lock is a niche taste which im sure not all of us use, having to make sure you reengage your action bar is going to be an even more tedious and unnecessary aspect of gameplay.

also, as a form of engaging your foe, that would equal two foe engagements. engaging your foe should only be your attack on it. the other one does nothing but stops you from toggelling your other action bars. this is bad design and i hope it gets changed.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

yes, i know this. YYYY must i activate it to engage? why does it dissengage by the mere movement of the camera angle? again, if they feel some odd necessity for this action bar engagement which does not exist in any MMO in history that i can think of, then why not add an engage/dissengage button so i dont have to constantly reengage it in the middle of battles?

consider this.
Combos are coming out which focus almost entirely on mob position. its generally a good idea to have your camera behind you, target lock is a niche taste which im sure not all of us use, having to make sure you reengage your action bar is going to be an even more tedious and unnecessary aspect of gameplay.

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I can believe I'm saying this but... I think it might be a keyboard thing. I dont have the problem you describe with controller :/ my right analog stick does all tha camera work pretty smoothly, plus i can hold the camera at an angle if I want. I never have a problem with disengaging. so idk :P

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Originally Posted by AceofRains

I can believe I'm saying this but... I think it might be a keyboard thing. I dont have the problem you describe with controller :/ my right analog stick does all tha camera work pretty smoothly, plus i can hold the camera at an angle if I want. I never have a problem with disengaging. so idk :P

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ah i c.
ive never tried a controller on here so this must be partly what everyone has talked about the game being more suitable for controller.
yeah its pretty infuriating when second wind is down there but you moved your camera and forgot it means youll have to repress enter in order to cycle through your bars again. bah!

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Originally Posted by Lavani

Rather than having the slow combat they do now, they should have made the game ARPG similar to DC Universe Online. Spells still have animations but no animation locks, you are more free to run around, able to dodge some special attacks and overall the combat feels more fluid, similar to a fighting game. I think that would make the game a lot more fun, rather than standing around trying to generate TP only to use it all on one TP Spell and then sit there building more TP.

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about your sig sir-
the creepy ambiguously ethnic gay dude and that East L.A. chola Mother Mary haunt my dreams..... wtf is your sig even in reference to? haters gonna hate? is that part of her song in that video or something?

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about your sig sir-
the creepy ambiguously ethnic gay dude and that East L.A. chola Mother Mary haunt my dreams..... wtf is your sig even in reference to? haters gonna hate? is that part of her song in that video or something?

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I just laughed my arse off.

+ you should give controller a try, its quite fun /nod ^^

I doubt SE will beable to compete with these "next gen" MMOs personally.

Just looking at Tera, GW2 and Blade and Soul gives me a bad feeling about this games future.

Thats not to say that people won't continue to play this game but its going to remain very niche.

Maybe 2.0 will prove me wrong.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I doubt SE will beable to compete with these "next gen" MMOs personally.

Just looking at Tera, GW2 and Blade and Soul gives me a bad feeling about this games future.

Thats not to say that people won't continue to play this game but its going to remain very niche.

Maybe 2.0 will prove me wrong.

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I hope 2.0 will prove you wrong

on other hand, if I remember right, 2.0 will release around december 2012 ? afaik, Tera for eu/us will release at early 2012 so there wont be any really competition as when ppl begin to get used to the game, bored of it, 2.0 of FFXIV will be there and snatch the customer back, sound good on paper no ?