Why are Lore rewards still so low?

Tired of farming ARF because it's the only dungeon that gives half decent rewards for completion. Why does one of the level 60 dungeons give 30 Lores? Who makes these decisions? Fire them.

ARF gets more because it is a story dungeon, it use to not be a roulette at all, and people use to leave it asap. It is to give people incentive to not leave it. It also takes a while to complete more times than it doesn't.

Fire someone? Now you're just being silly. Just run Gubal instead then.

ARF is actually pretty quick to run if have a good party. Guess you are farming lore for a relic? Otherwise beside needing the amount needed for a relic it just kind of given out like candy.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

ARF gets more because it is a story dungeon, it use to not be a roulette at all, and people use to leave it asap. It is to give people incentive to not leave it. It also takes a while to complete more times than it doesn't.

Fire someone? Now you're just being silly. Just run Gubal instead then.

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Gubal's barely more than half, that's pathetic. Antitower gave 100 Esoterics when ARF was 150, why did they make it even worse? They need to increase the diversity in viable Lore farming dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

ARF is actually pretty quick to run if have a good party. Guess you are farming lore for a relic? Otherwise beside needing the amount needed for a relic it just kind of given out like candy.

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It's still annoying as a Healer since a chunk of my MP bar is gone and I'm forced to idle for extended periods of time if the tank is healed and I've used up all my DPS spells.

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Originally Posted by Rennies

It's still annoying as a Healer since a chunk of my MP bar is gone and I'm forced to idle for extended periods of time if the tank is healed and I've used up all my DPS spells.

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Go as a dps or tank. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Go as a dps or tank. Problem solved.

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You're one of those people who hates good healers, go away.

How does one use up all their dps skills? lol

Also, i dont think tis that hard to get lore. As someone who has gotten 4 relics to 240 and another to 230 without grinding, its not that bad.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

How does one use up all their dps skills? lol

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Assize/Shroud on cooldown, Aero3 and Stone 3 (but mostly Holy) eating up all my MP. As Scholar it's much more bearable but I like playing all three.

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Originally Posted by Rennies

You're one of those people who hates good healers, go away.

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Wut? lel

All I'm saying is if you don't wanna waste time idling with no MP go as a job that has infinite resources like BLM. :3 Salty much?

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Wut? lel

All I'm saying is if you don't wanna waste time idling with no MP go as a job that has infinite resources like BLM. :3 Salty much?

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No. Then I run the risk of getting one of those AFK healers and the run's even more painful than usual.

I get the feeling no matter what is said OP wont like any answers we have.

Oh, on an unrelated note, my Lore has been capped for 2 weeks, and there is nothing for me to spend it on. I mean really SE why don't you have more items for me to spend my Lore on, it's ridiculous; fire some one, XD

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Originally Posted by Rennies

Assize/Shroud on cooldown, Aero3 and Stone 3 (but mostly Holy) eating up all my MP. As Scholar it's much more bearable but I like playing all three.

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Then manage your MP better. WHMs shouldn't be burning so much MP in a typical dungeon run.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I get the feeling no matter what is said OP wont like any answers we have.

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Probably not! A good AoE dps like BLM/SMN would speed the run up so much more when the dps are sub-par, which they would have to be for any healer to be running out of MP constantly.

Farm hunt instead ?

Anarnee pretty much answered this...
Don't know why everyone is fighting... >3>

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Originally Posted by Aerish

Farm hunt instead ?

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Those are super limited.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Anarnee pretty much answered this...
Don't know why everyone is fighting... >3>

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I got bored and started adding arrogance to my posts for an expected result.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Then manage your MP better. WHMs shouldn't be burning so much MP in a typical dungeon run.

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I mean, if I can put out huge potency damage and still keep everyone alive, Holy spam is worth it. Especially since the pulls are generally 6+ enemies. What else is there to do?

That's why you ran out of MP. Wasting time doing "social experiments".

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

That's why you ran out of MP. Wasting time doing "social experiments".

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Hey, at least posting doesn't cost more than 10% of my MP bar when I'm synced.

I stopped doing tome cap aaaages ago! >.>
I mean.. those daily "expert" dungeon roulete, wich gives weekly tomes at most, get boooring soo quick =3= (not even 1 day and ppl are are already "speed" runnning -.- , cuz "expert" dungeons are always so easy... )

And other content with tome reward are so tiny, I dont bother I:

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

I stopped doing tome cap aaaages ago! >.>
I mean.. those daily "expert" dungeon roulete, wich gives weekly tomes at most, get boooring soo quick =3= (not even 1 day and ppl are are already "speed" runnning -.- , cuz "expert" dungeons are always so easy... )

And other content with tome reward are so tiny, I dont bother I:

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Someone who understands my pain, my struggle, the abhorrence that is the reward of anything but ARF.

Join me, sister, and we will Make Tomes Rain Again.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I get the feeling no matter what is said OP wont like any answers we have.

Oh, on an unrelated note, my Lore has been capped for 2 weeks, and there is nothing for me to spend it on. I mean really SE why don't you have more items for me to spend my Lore on, it's ridiculous; fire some one, XD

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Demicrystals. Buy those at 50 lore each, sell them to a vendor for 3500gil each. For a full cap of Lore that's 140k. Might seem low, but every little helps.

Isn't lore tradable for tons of craft items that you can sell on MB ?

The reason the lore rewards for older lvl 60 dungeons was lowered is because those dungeons aren't ilvl synced making them almost trivially easy and very quick to run. ARF is ilvl synced and offers no gear which is why its lore reward is so substancial.

I don't disagree that ARF is getting boring. I have run it a lot just doing the roulette. Frankly I think the Anima weapon is a little too reliant on lore for progress. It effectively limits your options on what content you can use if you want to grind your relic. However I don't think you would see them just buff all the other dungeons. They lowered those lore quantities for a reason. Realistically I think it would be more likely that they lower ARF's lore rewards than buff the others.

I do think the fact your suffering downtime is strange. I haven't had this problem at all and I do almost every dungeon run at 60 as a WHM. What is your Peity like?

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Originally Posted by Aerish

Isn't lore tradable for tons of craft items that you can sell on MB ?

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That's what I do. There are number of HQ items which typically sell quite well for a decent price.

When I want to farm Lores, I queue for Sephirot, Nidhogg and Sophia. I get bonus most of the time. This is not more efficient than spamming ARF, but it's a lot more enjoyable.

So you and the other people strapped for lore are the ones ruining my lvl 60 roulette, and here I thought it was SE the whole time. Damn you OP

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Originally Posted by Belhi

The reason the lore rewards for older lvl 60 dungeons was lowered is because those dungeons aren't ilvl synced making them almost trivially easy and very quick to run. ARF is ilvl synced and offers no gear which is why its lore reward is so substancial.

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Some of then are ilvl synced. Fractal Continuum is definitely ilvl synced. ?Neverreap should be as well? I think those two were paired together for Ex roulette. The difference in tome rewards may come from ARF's lack of loot drops - every lv 60 dungeon but ARF has loot from bosses.

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Originally Posted by Rennies

You're one of those people who hates good healers, go away.

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Good healers don't waste all MP in ARF

Spamming Cure 2 is the reason your MP depleted, mostly.

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Originally Posted by Eul

Spamming Cure 2 is the reason your MP depleted, mostly.

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If you actually spent more than half a minute reading the thread you'd know that it's because of DPSing. The vast majority of my healing in ARF comes from oGCDs and Divine Seal Regen.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Good healers don't waste all MP in ARF

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ok

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Originally Posted by Belhi

The reason the lore rewards for older lvl 60 dungeons was lowered is because those dungeons aren't ilvl synced making them almost trivially easy and very quick to run. ARF is ilvl synced and offers no gear which is why its lore reward is so substancial.
I do think the fact your suffering downtime is strange. I haven't had this problem at all and I do almost every dungeon run at 60 as a WHM. What is your Peity like?

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They need to triple or quadruple Fractal Continuum's reward, then. My piety is somewhere between 600-700 when I'm synced and 900+ outside of ARF.

Instead of running ARF all day try doing your daily roulettes plus one ARF run a day. It will make you a lot happier than spamming ARF and dealing with some less desirable pubs all day everyday. It may take a little longer, but you won't lose your hair early!

Relic quests should be nerfed and I hope this kind of tortures will be gone in 4.0. The game needs to change its methods.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

Instead of running ARF all day try doing your daily roulettes plus one ARF run a day. It will make you a lot happier than spamming ARF and dealing with some less desirable pubs all day everyday. It may take a little longer, but you won't lose your hair early!

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That's what I do on most days, but it's still extremely slow progress :P

My mega skilled friends aren't always on to run with me so I'm forced to deal with going oom on second pull because of low group DPS. It's annoyiiiiiiiing.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Good healers don't waste all MP in ARF

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Good healers use every GCD to its full potential to obtain the highest damage while keeping the team alive. That's what I do, but I can't force the group to kill every pull by my 6th holy. The problem here isn't me. It's the fact that we have next to no other ways to grind lore effectively. My lavender purple genderbent Holly Whyte cosplay's taking FOREVER.

Do you know what it's like, to have a cosplay weapon locked behind a terrible grind? It claws at the mind and makes one desire death upon everyone.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Relic quests should be nerfed and I hope this kind of tortures will be gone in 4.0. The game needs to change its methods.

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Let's see what Eureka and its NM-style hunts with rare drops will be like... >w>()

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Oh, on an unrelated note, my Lore has been capped for 2 weeks, and there is nothing for me to spend it on. I mean really SE why don't you have more items for me to spend my Lore on, it's ridiculous; fire some one, XD

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I usually just use my useless lore on mats to sell on the market. It is not much but it still a decent supply of gil for future use once 4.0 hits and players start spending a bunch of lore and gil leveling their Jobs and crafting.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Relic quests should be nerfed and I hope this kind of tortures will be gone in 4.0. The game needs to change its methods.

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I'm foreseeing a nerf in 3.5/3.55 for the Umbrite step

Because there must be something time consuming and grindy to keep you subbed until the next patch. It's that simple. They will nerf it again once they implement something else to to grind for. They need a reason to keep you subbed and run the dungeons again and again. With this way they keep the DF system alive.

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Originally Posted by Riardon

Because there must be something time consuming and grindy to keep you subbed until the next patch. It's that simple. They will nerf it again once they implement something else to to grind for. They need a reason to keep you subbed and run the dungeons again and again. With this way they keep the DF system alive.

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That's why most MMOs are dead/dying. They need to attract subscribers with entertaining content, make people want to play because the game is fun.

FFXIV right now is like... "I need to login today, not because the game is fun, but I have to do this and that or else I'm gonna lose today/this week's quotas of stuffs".

They don't have to grind in Overwatch, Counter-Strike, DotA, etc. People play it everyday because it's fun. Try to adapt it into MMO and make people want to keep playing because it's fun. That's what I want to see in 4.0, not the same 450 tomes per week bs and other grindy content.

Maybe you need to find something in the game that isnt just grinding for a relic. I'm still logging in everyday since day 1 (been playing since launch) and i still have fun. I do my dailys and rest of the time i spend time doing palace or other content with my gf and friends, and craft - not cause i need to, cause its fun.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

some less desirable pubs all day everyday

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