SE: Remove undersized ability for WT

It's supposed to be used as a tool to make old content relevant again to help new players and queue times. When I can 3 man all the level 50 trials and solo leveling and 50 dungeons this defeats that purpose.

Thanks; but no, thanks. Let me tell you what else "defeats the purpose".

1) Me making a PF with "no bonus" as a stipulation.
2) Me bringing my homies and foregoing all the random nobodies.

Those two there also do nothing to "help new players" or "help" the "queue times", but what would you have SE do about that? I'll bet, nothing. Then don't worry about the ability to do them unsynced.

No, I enjoy doing the trails with just a few friends - and I wouldnt do stuff like Ramuh syched again

Edit: Even if we couldnt do it unsyched anymore, at lest I wouldnt help new people with it - but just do it with my static/friends. And I think thats how the most of us would end up doing it; it wont help, it will only make it more of an inconvenience for everyone.

You can queue up for it synced while the rest of us do it the easier way. Don't ruin it for us, thanks.

WT unsynced is the only reason I've cleared some of the ARR EX Primals, because the people in DF are too bad to beat it. I spent months trying to beat Ramuh EX synced, even called in some FC members for help.THERE IS NO HELPING THESE PEOPLE! The people in DF for these have no business doing content harder than Sastasha. I finally got the clear once I hit 60 by putting up a PF and advertising bonus. Without the WT incentive, I still wouldn't have the clear.

I would've preferred WT to have different objectives...like in dungeon quests? Find so and so item and defeat the boss within a time limit. This obviously won't work because dungeons are basically hallways now, but it was an example. 2.0 content is already overly relevant to the point some people are running that more than 3.0(I'm looking at you, anima). Mount farms and such were still surprisingly popular before WT showed up after all.

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

It's supposed to be used as a tool to make old content relevant again to help new players and queue times. When I can 3 man all the level 50 trials and solo leveling and 50 dungeons this defeats that purpose.

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And it negatively affects YOU that say, I, do something unsynched .. how, exactly?

I don't think SE cares about making people do old content the "proper" way. Unsync clears count for quest completion as well.
WT makes it easier for new players to get clears on old content since older players are willing to go with them for Second Chance bonuses and know they'll be able to get it done in a few minutes instead of hours of wiping trying to teach mechanics.

There's still the option of DF or looking for like minded individuals for those determined to run synced.
I myself got a Black Mage alt through all the ARR Ex Primals + Ultima HM and Odin in DF last week out of boredom. Even Mog Ex which I didn't expect to pop since most people seem to avoid that one even with unsync. >.>

You don't get to play with me either way since I'd just take my friends, so why does it matter? Having an excuse to try solo challenges is fun :P

If it couldn't be done synced people just wouldn't bother. They wouldn't all line up excitedly waiting for DF to pop so they could waste 90 minutes failing Titan Ex over and over. Well, not for more than one week.

Balmung has a lot of PFs for these primals that welcomes new and old players alike.

We unsync it with 7-8 people.

Good luck finding a party that can beat titan ex in synced mode or few others of the primals.

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

It's supposed to be used as a tool to make old content relevant again to help new players and queue times. When I can 3 man all the level 50 trials and solo leveling and 50 dungeons this defeats that purpose.

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Most of the time are enough PF groups for the kills open and if you could only do the stuff synced, no new player would get this stuff done because no one would bother with WT or just go with 7 friends. I wouldn't even do WT anymore if i had to do the primals sync because i already did that before HW came out...

I can see that argument for the dungeons, because unlike EX trials, people would still actually "do" them synced, since they aren't overly difficult or time consuming. But the primals would likely die out if they had to be done synced - people tend to be fairly averse to that kind of thing.

People would just use retry points on the top row which would make it even more boring than it already is.

Perhaps if unsyched parties would not drop rewards, it would make it more enticing for players to go into df to do their runs.

But nah, doing any ex primal in df is torture if you just want to get in and out. Not everyone has 90+ minutes to waste because people don't know how to dodge aoe's.

Removing unsynced would just make it worse, no one want's to do 2.X primals synced again especially since i can't see myself functioning without Iron jaws.

I initially though the same, but like others have already said. This wouldn't help new players. People would simply make parties with friends or as someone else pointed out, spam retry on the particularly annoying primals. If newer players did join a PF group. Expect to see them kicked quickly if they can't handle the fights.

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Originally Posted by Emerald_Swords

Perhaps if unsyched parties would not drop rewards, it would make it more enticing for players to go into df to do their runs.

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No thanks, I'm still missing a few ponies due to RNG and crap rolls having completed EXs and farmed them when they first released. I know I am not the only one.

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Originally Posted by Emerald_Swords

Perhaps if unsyched parties would not drop rewards, it would make it more enticing for players to go into df to do their runs.

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Why not let everyone play the game like they're enjoying it (as long as that isnt "harming" anyone else and doesnt mean they're playing like sh*t in normal duties)?

I've done all the ARR primals when they were current, farmed the ponies when they were current, most of the time with friends and NOT through DF and we would do it this way again.
I've been into DF for the easy ARR primals like Garuda und Shiva a while ago again - not a chance. I know the fights quite well, but a lot of people simply dont even know how to stack. I'm all for helping new people and I'm often up for that, but sometimes I'm gonna be so selfish to put my progress infront of theres and the game has given me the tools for that - dont take them away, please. For me doing primals with just 2-3 other friends is a lot of fun and in the game the game should be about fun. Without the unsych feature we wouldnt be running those old EX-primals as often again.

(and again: it wouldnt help new players who are just quening in through DF because they want a quick kill, sorry its just not how it works. We would just be back to looking for groups of 8 again to do this content, because after all this trials arent designed with a more or fixed group thats well coordianted in mind - well, either that or highly skilled people that can do without to much communication)

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Originally Posted by Emerald_Swords

Perhaps if unsyched parties would not drop rewards, it would make it more enticing for players to go into df to do their runs.

But nah, doing any ex primal in df is torture if you just want to get in and out. Not everyone has 90+ minutes to waste because people don't know how to dodge aoe's.

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I'm fine with that as long as i can do my WT stuff unsync but i can tell you that it wouldn't change a thing because people would still create farm partys without bonus and new players wouldn't get it done either way.

No thanks, been there and done this stuff back when it was relevant; nothing will make me go back and do that stuff again in level-sync. If they decided to do this then I'd quite happily just pass on doing the primal and coil parts, well, I already do but I cherry-pick the super easy ones, so...

Just accept it, nothing they can do will make old content relevant to oldies to help newcomers or force them to do it level-sync in DF. These pointless things they've added so far have only encouraged PF exp-only groups and undersize/unsync runs even more. Then you have mentor roulette which I can safely say is NOT used properly, and by large is not used much at all.

*edit* Also, people grunt and groan when they have to do old content as is, even more so when they see a new person there to potentially make it take longer, then you get the general attitude of speedy-gonzales exploding on people for little mistakes or top-level guy bullying little newblet for a minor offense; is making these people more forced than they already are to mingle with "the great unwashed" by chance really going to be good for either side? I know my answer, a great big no.

How about... Nah, don't wanna do the EX primals synced again, I been tortured enough, thank you.

I think this works just fine in helping new people clear content... especially ARR primals and coils. Unsynced, and with half-competent players, this content is completely clearable, and easily enough to carry one or two sprouts. I usually get fairly satisfied when I see that I can land a stamp and a second chance point in a single primal run, to be honest :) Everyone can get what they joined for and call it a day.

Unsynced is fine. It will be impossible to make all old content relevant again in it's original form. Unsynced at least brings some life back to it.

OP: If you wanna do it synced be my guest. But lucky for us - you don't speak for everyone

Unsynced is fine with me, too. I also don't mind people coming in worth bonuses to do the content... I need those second chance points, too, and the tome bonus is nice also. ^.^;

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Originally Posted by Vidu

No, I enjoy doing the trails with just a few friends - and I wouldnt do stuff like Ramuh syched again

Edit: Even if we couldnt do it unsyched anymore, at lest I wouldnt help new people with it - but just do it with my static/friends. And I think thats how the most of us would end up doing it; it wont help, it will only make it more of an inconvenience for everyone.

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do u seriously enjoy doing tails? what is so fun about it? is it looking at that silly chloe? when she reward u?

Then the only way you could force what you wanted would be for the tails to count you have to either... queue solo in DF, or have at least one newbie and do it at minimum ilvl sync (however for the latter people would just create alts and use jump potions once Stormblood comes out, and still only run it with friends). Do either of those, and even if you offered gear 300 item levels higher than the highest ilvl otherwise available, people would still refuse to do it. Because no amount of incentive would make people do that.

Hmm, I see what your intent is by requesting it, but I think I have to lean on the side of everyone else who mention that allowing the content to be unsynced has made it relevant again - at least from a PF perspective. Dead to DF queue isn't all that bad given the tails state of PF.

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Originally Posted by aesteval

Hmm, I see what your intent is by requesting it, but I think I have to lean on the side of everyone else who mention that allowing the content to be unsynced has made it relevant again - at least from a PF perspective. Dead to DF queue isn't all that bad given the tails state of PF.

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And with cross-server PF coming next patch, it's only gonna get better!

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Originally Posted by aesteval

Hmm, I see what your intent is by requesting it, but I think I have to lean on the side of everyone else who mention that allowing the content to be unsynced has made it relevant again - at least from a PF perspective. Dead to DF queue isn't all that bad given the tails state of PF.

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There is mentor roulette :p

Nope and no. If I was stuck with sync and progressing at a snail's pace, I'd likely be begging for that jump potion.

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Originally Posted by Axxion

There is mentor roulette :p

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Speaking of arguments for unsyncing through PF. :P

Honestly if you couldn't unsync the old primals I probably would not do WT at all, and I love doing those fights as intended. Trying to find a whole group that can though... Yeah no.

Nobody is forcing you to underman them.

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Originally Posted by starLivitation

do u seriously enjoy doing tails? what is so fun about it? is it looking at that silly chloe? when she reward u?

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Yes, I enjoy doing tails the way me and my friends are doing it atm - believe it or not, I enjoy playing the game and having a motivation to do the old stuff again is nice. There is no need to word this as if I'm being a pervert looking at a Miqo-kid, honey.

The problem is this is why SE is needing to sell leveling potions. I played on my wife's account for a year and then bought a pc, so I needed to start all over again. It took me 2 months to get through HW playing at least 6 hours a day. Queue times are abysmally slow for dps and when no one queues for synced content it takes that much longer....

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Some new players don't even know what FC's and PF's are and even with mentor chat some people may not be comfortable with it. I know this was my first mmo back in 2014. Large learning curve lol.

So, when something like WT tries to make old content relevant again for new players, Unsyncing it only benefits the old player base and still does nothing for the newbies.

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

The problem is this is why SE is needing to sell leveling potions. I played on my wife's account for a year and then bought a pc, so I needed to start all over again. It took me 2 months to get through HW playing at least 6 hours a day. Queue times are abysmally slow for dps and when no one queues for synced content it takes that much longer....

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Queue times have always been slow for dps and the content you need to progress within the story isnt included in WT - pointing at the dungeons would be a real stretch here.
This isnt the reason SE "needs" to sell leveling potions - the reason for that arent even the dungeons/queue times but all the long winded filler-quests after the end of 2.0 and that you have hours of quests to do before you can access Ishgard. Not being able to get into EX-primals has nothing to do with it.

Well, making WT synced only is only going to make more people use retries on current content, and you'll still have next to nobody queuing for old content. Not many people even do Nidhogg, Ravana and Bismarck anymore, and those are just the easy HW primals.