What exactly is in 1.2

Looking at the following road map is a little unclear as some seems to cross the patch deadline. It looks like the following items are going to be inlcuded, Please approve or decline if I am missing something or it is not going to be in this patch. just want to get better idea of what I am expecting


-Targeting system
-Friends list
-black list
-linkshell system
-PC Search
-Char motion
-AI
-scenario and quest
-Delivery service
-item search feature
-delivery & mail system
-parley
-And then the content like moogle fight and what not.


Any other items that I missed? any on this list that are not going to be 1.2 ready?

These are confirmed? Not doubting you just dont remember where they said anything about mail system, parley, or item delivery(unless you mean purchasing from ward search then yea) being in 1.20. Also what changes to flist/blist and targeting? How did I miss so much?

Seems like A) you're talking about 2.0 NOT 1.2 (how many times?) and B) You need to be directed towards the PDF that specifically listed everything coming.

1.2 includes class changes, a new auction house style menu for the market wards, a search feature, moogle battle, and a few other things.

Supposedly there will be a Letter from the Producer either Thursday or Friday this week chockful of information on 1.20.

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・Late November to Early Decemeber, 2011 - Patch 1.20 (and subsequent hotfixes)
⇒Class adjustments (abilities & weaponskills) / Malevolent Moogle (Primal) battle
⇒Achievement system (300+ planned) / Market adjustments / PC search
⇒The continuation of Disciple of the Hand recipe adjustments (HQ items / Repair adjustments)

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http://wdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Outline_EN.pdf

And some more

Duno if they still plan to add stat allocation back, but that was supposed to heading back in 1.20.

1.2 from what I know is supposed to bring:

Class ability/actions revamp
Alchemy & Cooking Recipe revamp
HQ crafting revamp (use HQ mats = HQ result)
Food info tool tips
Auction House type interface to the market wards
Player search
Moogle fight
achievements and player titles
battle adjustments

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Originally Posted by normalforce

Supposedly there will be a Letter from the Producer either Thursday or Friday this week chockful of information on 1.20.

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As per what i've seen from SE's past letters regarding future patch, it will most likely be something very vague.... wait for the patch notes.

in the live letter or one of the interviews i thought he said th AH was in 1.20, i could be wrong but thats what ive been look forward too, lol. also moogle battle and i thought some more dungeons were on the way.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Duno if they still plan to add stat allocation back, but that was supposed to heading back in 1.20.

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A dev response a few weeks ago mentioned how they would be putting it back into the game but it wouldn't have as huge an impact as when we had phsyical levels. It'll basically be something to the point of you can add 2-4 points in this attribute rather then recieving something like 20 points per level lol.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

in the live letter or one of the interviews i thought he said th AH was in 1.20, i could be wrong but thats what ive been look forward too, lol. also moogle battle and i thought some more dungeons were on the way.

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AH to my best understanding can't be made with this current enginge. But from what I understand they have plans to do the following.
-Make the MW easier to search, which to me sounds like the ability to filter out items easier
-At one point they wanna make it where you can buy items right off the list rather then go into the ward

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But see when you see the above changes, why is an AH still necessary? in XI an AH could only hold 7 items if I"m not mistaken but with retainers we can hold I think 10-12. With the changes coming to the MW to make it easier to manage what would an AH offer that the MW doesn't? I just can't understand the stigma of still wanting an AH I have yet to have an issue finding items when using the MW, you can just think of it as an AH that's swarmed with people lol. But ya unless you can offer other benefits of an AH that the MW doesn't offer I"m still confused on why people are still looking forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Airget

But see when you see the above changes, why is an AH still necessary? in XI an AH could only hold 7 items if I"m not mistaken but with retainers we can hold I think 10-12. With the changes coming to the MW to make it easier to manage what would an AH offer that the MW doesn't? I just can't understand the stigma of still wanting an AH I have yet to have an issue finding items when using the MW, you can just think of it as an AH that's swarmed with people lol. But ya unless you can offer other benefits of an AH that the MW doesn't offer I"m still confused on why people are still looking forward to it.

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An auction house is an exponentially better market system than the wards. The ward system is fine for the bare minimum of buying and selling items between players, but it lacks the advanced features to make it function the way an MMO market should function. There is no way to differentiate between NQ and HQ items using the ward system. There is no price history to compare sales (getting this in 1.20, last 20 sales.) You have to zone every time you want to buy an item, making it take at least twice as long as buying from a list (another thing we are getting in 1.20.) You have to know the category of the item you want to buy, and even then there is little organization in the way the items are listed. Lastly, off the top of my head, there is no way to search for items by name. Ex: If you want a full set of Steel gear, you have to find each piece manually and track each item separately.

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Originally Posted by Airget

A dev response a few weeks ago mentioned how they would be putting it back into the game but it wouldn't have as huge an impact as when we had phsyical levels. It'll basically be something to the point of you can add 2-4 points in this attribute rather then recieving something like 20 points per level lol.


AH to my best understanding can't be made with this current enginge. But from what I understand they have plans to do the following.
-Make the MW easier to search, which to me sounds like the ability to filter out items easier
-At one point they wanna make it where you can buy items right off the list rather then go into the ward

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But see when you see the above changes, why is an AH still necessary? in XI an AH could only hold 7 items if I"m not mistaken but with retainers we can hold I think 10-12. With the changes coming to the MW to make it easier to manage what would an AH offer that the MW doesn't? I just can't understand the stigma of still wanting an AH I have yet to have an issue finding items when using the MW, you can just think of it as an AH that's swarmed with people lol. But ya unless you can offer other benefits of an AH that the MW doesn't offer I"m still confused on why people are still looking forward to it.

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you are assuming an auction house in 14 will be he same as 11, that is the problem

Q: In regards to starting to charge a subscription fee, could you tell us about the reasoning behind starting now?
A: As I mentioned in the previous LIVE, our stance about being 50% complete has not changed. Though we have been able to gradually implement FF-related content, I still think that there is a lot that has not yet been completed, such as a lack of player search and an auction house. With patch 1.20, we will be introducing the player search and auction house, so I made the call as a producer to start billing at this time.

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Originally Posted by Airget

AH to my best understanding can't be made with this current enginge. But from what I understand they have plans to do the following.
-Make the MW easier to search, which to me sounds like the ability to filter out items easier
-At one point they wanna make it where you can buy items right off the list rather then go into the ward

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But see when you see the above changes, why is an AH still necessary? in XI an AH could only hold 7 items if I"m not mistaken but with retainers we can hold I think 10-12. With the changes coming to the MW to make it easier to manage what would an AH offer that the MW doesn't? I just can't understand the stigma of still wanting an AH I have yet to have an issue finding items when using the MW, you can just think of it as an AH that's swarmed with people lol. But ya unless you can offer other benefits of an AH that the MW doesn't offer I"m still confused on why people are still looking forward to it.

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Things that we know are coming in 1.20

Class reforms.
Self combo system.
Player search (Welcome back Mr kotter)
"Auction House" elements added to the market wards
Stat allocation coming back in some form
Moogle primal battle
Revision to the primal battle loot system.
Revisions to the way we dye armor.

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Originally Posted by Tempestmoon

Looking at the following road map is a little unclear as some seems to cross the patch deadline. It looks like the following items are going to be inlcuded, Please approve or decline if I am missing something or it is not going to be in this patch. just want to get better idea of what I am expecting


-Targeting system
-Friends list
-black list
-linkshell system
-PC Search
-Char motion
-AI
-scenario and quest
-Delivery service
-item search feature
-delivery & mail system
-parley
-And then the content like moogle fight and what not.


Any other items that I missed? any on this list that are not going to be 1.2 ready?

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There are items in this list that are taken from the list of items being implemented in the 2.0 engine at the current time. For instance, we already have Parley.

http://wdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Roadmap_EN.pdf

Previous producer letters have already outlined the major items of interest in 1.20, and although they might not seem as extensive as 1.19, they do include so really quite large changes to the market wards and class abilities (which I'm sure you don't need me to tell you about). Oh, and the continued ending of the Sixth Astral Era.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...809-01-2011%29

Edit: I realise I sounded a bit condescending there. Sorry about that, it wasn't intentional. I just wanted to make sure the topic didn't give a false impression of what is coming in the immediate future.

This reminds me of a thread...

We already have a friend and black list. They're pretty functional.

Class reforms
PC search
MW/AH hybrid
Moogle fight
/shutdown
Dyeing reforms
Additional recipes+revamp for Culinarian, Goldsmith, and Alchemist
Combo system
Toggle on/off for action queueing
<pos> displayed as (X:_,Y:_)

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Originally Posted by Answa

This reminds me of a thread...

We already have a friend and black list. They're pretty functional.

Class reforms
PC search
MW/AH hybrid
Moogle fight
/shutdown
Dyeing reforms
Additional recipes+revamp for Culinarian, Goldsmith, and Alchemist
Combo system
Toggle on/off for action queueing
<pos> displayed as (X:_,Y:_)

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/assist is coming, too
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post435418

I took my list directly from the time line in the 2.0 announcement. THe blue bars spanning september to december. Of course there is no details on each and just because it says "Parley" or "Friends list" does not mean we are getting it (at least I think) it means they are improving it. Maybe I am reading the Time line wrong but I don't think so. These items have a bar ending up to december...

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Originally Posted by Tempestmoon

I took my list directly from the time line in the 2.0 announcement. THe blue bars spanning september to december. Of course there is no details on each and just because it says "Parley" or "Friends list" does not mean we are getting it (at least I think) it means they are improving it. Maybe I am reading the Time line wrong but I don't think so. These items have a bar ending up to december...

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Those blue bars relate mostly to internal development of those features, as far as I'm aware.

Which makes perfect sense, so if the internal devolopment of them ends at the same time the 1.2 is to be released, my common sense says that's what should be in the patch(bar any delays) i can't see them holding that until 2 months later for 1.21

Never mind! Letter from the producer just posted!

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Originally Posted by Answa

Those blue bars relate mostly to internal development of those features, as far as I'm aware.

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Originally Posted by Tempestmoon

Which makes perfect sense, so if the internal devolopment of them ends at the same time the 1.2 is to be released, my common sense says that's what should be in the patch(bar any delays) i can't see them holding that until 2 months later for 1.21

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The graph you're referring to is for development of 2.0 only. As Answa said, the blue bars chart internal development of them implementing/porting and improving features we have currently into the client for 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Tempestmoon

Which makes perfect sense, so if the internal devolopment of them ends at the same time the 1.2 is to be released, my common sense says that's what should be in the patch(bar any delays) i can't see them holding that until 2 months later for 1.21

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andddddddddddddddd you can see the list for 1.20 @ the new producer letter