4.0 (Or 3.5) Tank Changes

These are some changes to tanks (mostly DRK and PLD) that I thought would be interesting.
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DRK:

Dark Passenger:
Dark Dance effect: Blind
Dark Arts effect: 250 potency

Sole Survivor:
If cast on a party member, everytime the party member takes damage a small portion of the caster's MP will be restored (less than Blood Price). Effect lasts for 30 seconds.

PLD:
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Clemency:
Instant cast oGCD with a 20 second cooldown.
Shield Oath Effect: Cure Potency of 1400.
Sword Oath Effect: Restores 180 TP, if cast on a party member the caster has 90 TP restored.

Divine Veil: No longer requires a heal to activate, and cannot be deactivated by a heal. Range increased to 20 yalms.

No thanks.

The only buff I agree with is the range increase to Divine Veil. Otherwise, no.

I feel that changes to dark knight should be to make it more desirable in the off tank position, not further solidify it as the most wanted main tank.

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Originally Posted by Ragology

I feel that changes to dark knight should be to make it more desirable in the off tank position, not further solidify it as the most wanted main tank.

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Crazy/untested idea here, but what if you could apply Blood Price to a party member at the cost of a longer recast time? Maybe even a cooldown like "Echo of the Abyss" where you put it on a party member and your Blood Price/Low Blow/Reprisal can trigger when they get hit or parry? It fits the theme of a Dark Knight protecting the weak and innocent.

Ehh no while I agree Drk needs more supportive abilities since they only have Delirium and Reprisal those changes you listed are just undesirable. You took away DPs blind effect? Why? That's just bad and made DD to 120 secs which is also not needed at all.

Divine Veil is the only change that is okay the rest are just not very good.

Ah, another thread.

Maybe I will settle if SE gives us tanks more good CDs and tonnes of aggro generation. /s

Ahaha, no. No.


Dark Passenger on Dark Arts with no blind??
- Blind is cool.
Reprisal 300 potency??
- You want to make my full parry DRK way too OP, haters might not like it :D

How about we just delete PLD and DRK, and let WAR glamour their weapons?

Nerfing Blood Weapon, Dark Passenger, and not understanding that Dark Knight needs buffs to Dark Dance in a different manner just proves how little you know about the Job. Clemency restoring TP is completely unneeded unless they throw another juggernaut boss like the Manipulator at us, and the Divine Veil buff is unneeded, the range increase might be nice though.

Edit: If you want Dark Knight to function better as an off-tank, all they need is one ability added: Shadow Spikes.

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Shadow Spikes
Cast: 3s
Recast: 2.5s
MP Cost: 884
Coats target party member or self in a layer of vicious spikes.
These spikes deliver an attack with a potency of 10 every time physical damage is suffered for 30 minutes.
If cast on a party member, potency is halved, however any parries or blocks performed by the party member will act as if the Dark Knight had parried the attack.
Can only be active on one target at a time.

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If you wanted to go one step further, just remove the PvP requirement to Sole Survivor's secondary effect.

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Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

Crazy/untested idea here, but what if you could apply Blood Price to a party member at the cost of a longer recast time? Maybe even a cooldown like "Echo of the Abyss" where you put it on a party member and your Blood Price/Low Blow/Reprisal can trigger when they get hit or parry? It fits the theme of a Dark Knight protecting the weak and innocent.

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I think that'd work since losing out on procs is one of the main reasons why Dark Knight avoid off-tanking.

Is it bad that in large pulls I'm almost relying on Dark Passenger's blind effect till I get hate settled and to ease the amount of healing the healer has to use? It's almost always the second thing I do after hitting Blood Price. Why take it away? Granted it's not a huge amount of mitigation, but I'm in the school of every little bit helps

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Originally Posted by Jamafore

Is it bad that in large pulls I'm almost relying on Dark Passenger's blind effect till I get hate settled and to ease the amount of healing the healer has to use? It's almost always the second thing I do after hitting Blood Price. Why take it away? Granted it's not a huge amount of mitigation, but I'm in the school of every little bit helps

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Dark dance+ dark passenger is one of DRK's best CD combos

Sometimes I like to combine foresight with dark mind to create a weaker shadowskin

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Originally Posted by Jamafore

Is it bad that in large pulls I'm almost relying on Dark Passenger's blind effect till I get hate settled and to ease the amount of healing the healer has to use? It's almost always the second thing I do after hitting Blood Price. Why take it away? Granted it's not a huge amount of mitigation, but I'm in the school of every little bit helps

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I usually Dark Passenger + Dark Dance, Drop Grit with BP while spamming DA + Abyssal Drain, with a Balance card (AoE one) I'm crit healing myself for 2k which is pretty fun.

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Originally Posted by Jamafore

It's almost always the second thing I do after hitting Blood Price.

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Using DA+DP under BP is a bad idea - any attack that misses you won't give you back mana. However once BP ends you can freely use DA+DP and DA+DD and they're actually pretty decent at that point.

But that doesn't mean they're perfect. DA+DP and DA+DD are both useless in raids, they're basically dungeon-exclusive cooldowns. This isn't necessarily a bad thing but if you have the option of having a cooldown that can be used in both or a cooldown that can just be used in one, surely you'd want the one that can be used in both.

I think talk of tank changes atm are pretty pointless though - a lot is probably going to change in 4.0 so any change like "they should make DA+DD do this!" could contradict with some other change they're making that we have no idea about. I guess they could change some things in 3.5 but it'd be pointless when there's no new raid content.

Convalescence, Provoke, Awareness, & Foresight are the 4 tank abilities I think will be removed from GLD/MRD and placed in the role bin, the 5th being a 'Second Wind for Tanks' or something relatively new. I think Bloodbath and Mercy Stroke are going to remain/become WAR exclusive opposed to Role Abilities. And please please something to counter to the loss of IR (Foresight's replacement? Lvl2 ability) T.T

But by that list, the Job with the heighest ceiling for changes is PLD, as losing Conva, Awar, and Prov means 3 new abilities for Gladiator: which I'm predicting is a stoneskin replacement via phalanx, an enmity utility, and a wildcard

What I hope for with DRK is a new mechanic working parallel with our current rotation/DA use. Something that can be utilized for reflecting damage (MT) or increasing personal DPS / utility (OT). I don't expect the swimming pool of DRK utility is ever going to get very deep tho tbh.

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Originally Posted by cetrei

DA Effect: Procs any ability with extra enhanced effects.

1. Low Blow: Target's slashing resistance reduced by 5% for 15 seconds. Stacks with Storm's Eye/Dancing Edge.
2. Unleash: Target's (and only the target's) magic resistance reduced by 15% for 6 seconds.

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Aight so lets just make PLD 100% useless again. K

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

Convalescence, Provoke, Awareness, & Foresight are the 4 tank abilities I think will be removed from GLD/MRD and placed in the role bin, the 5th being a 'Second Wind for Tanks' or something relatively new. I think Bloodbath and Mercy Stroke are going to remain/become WAR exclusive opposed to Role Abilities. And please please something to counter to the loss of IR (Foresight's replacement? Lvl2 ability)

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Sooo.... PLD "loses" 4 abilities, DRK loses access to 2 cross-class (when they were already starved), and WAR loses..... nothing? That's how we balance right there!

Unless I'm terribly misinterpreting something, that's a horribly skewed idea there

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Originally Posted by Fluffernuff

Unless I'm terribly misinterpreting something, that's a horribly skewed idea there

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Things are not balanced atm, especially for GLD/CNJ. That's why this cross class system is being swept away. WHM lost traited SS/Protect, but they don't get traited Virus or E4E in turn.

Trepidation in this change is due for WAR more-so than PLD/DRK I think, they have a lot to lose in the Pugilist cross-class being nixed. I think it's very likely WAR will lose IR. Hopefully in place of Foresight they get their own Marauder version of IR or DRG's Life Surge.

Consider too that skills moved to Role pool will essentially be traited for all jobs now. So a traited Conva, Awareness, Foresight, this is ultimately a win for everyone imo, just 'more of a win' for jobs with the least to lose (jobs that don't have as good cross class picks currently).

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Originally Posted by Zampp

Aight so lets just make PLD 100% useless again. K

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Who plays paladin anymore? Just make it a healer and give it all the CNJ cross class abilities + Holy.

Sarcasm aside yeah it'd make paladin less viable then what people already perceive, when you can clear content in this game with any class in your group, but I hope they do tweak paladin it used to be my main tank but now I drift off to war for it's slashing/path and Drk for it's great MT dps as well as fun play style. For me paladin just isn't an option since the other 2 tanks to me are more enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by cetrei

These are some changes to tanks (mostly DRK and PLD) that I thought would be interesting.

DRK:

Blood Weapon:
Fixed MP restoration cut in half. 10% of all damage dealt is directly converted into MP for Blood Weapon's duration. (However, the most MP that can be restored from an attack is 150% of a normal MP restoration from Blood Weapon.)

Dark Passenger:
DA Effect: Potency changed to 260. No blind effect.

Unmend:
DA Effect: Potency increased to 360.

Dark Dance:

DA Effect: Procs any ability with extra enhanced effects.

1. Reprisal: Potency increased to 300.
2. Low Blow: Target's slashing resistance reduced by 5% for 15 seconds. Stacks with Storm's Eye/Dancing Edge.
3. Unleash: Target's (and only the target's) magic resistance reduced by 15% for 6 seconds.

Once the enhanced proc is activated, the recast timer of Dark Dance will be increased to 120 seconds.

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No thanks.

If Unmend was buffed to that extent, it would be better to spam it than Souleater or Delirium. That's beyond absurd.

One of the major changes to Dark Knight I'd like to see is combining Power Slash and Delirium into one ability; buffing spinning slash to accommodate the lost potency. Basically, give DRK an excuse to actually use their aggro combo for frequently.

Just give DRK some DA enhancements on skills like Plunge/Salted Earth(that have none) and give more Grit only effects (just on Souleater atm).

The Unmend request is not happening ever and removing the blind on DP is stupid. It just is. Especially when DA DP+DD is an amazing combo when used effectively.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

One of the major changes to Dark Knight I'd like to see is combining Power Slash and Delirium into one ability; buffing spinning slash to accommodate the lost potency. Basically, give DRK an excuse to actually use their aggro combo for frequently.

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to be honest: i still would use the combo wich gives me mana, not the one with aggro or debuff.

but if you put the mana reg on the aggro combo, increase the potency AND put the delirium debuff on it too... i would say no, this destroys the whole gameplay and fun DRK offer. i want to use more than only one combo.

Moard edginess!!

- Darkerside, trait: if 0 MP Darkside will drain HP instead. Cannot be used under the effect of Grit.

- Darkness, ability: Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 250 to all nearby enemies. Can only be used when succumbing to the*Darkside.
Cost: 5% HP
Dark Arts Effect: Silence
Grit effect: Consumes MP instead of HP

- Add Slashing Debuff to Power Slash combo