Can we please have undersize mode and party numbers on old content?

Can we? like having to wait 45 minutes+ on a queue for void ark when our current team made of 8 people can do it alone is quite frustrating.

I can not understand why there are still these dumb restrictions in game..
can we please play the game as we like since we pay for it?
I can understand for extremely new content, but old content should be all free and unlocked.

Thank you SE.

We won't be able to undersize 3.0 content until about the time 4.0 is going to be released. Which is what happened to 2.0 stuff.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

We won't be able to undersize 3.0 content until about the time 4.0 is going to be released. Which is what happened to 2.0 stuff.

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Thank you for stating the obvious, reason why im asking for a change.

If the 2.0 24 man raids didn't get unsynced, then the 3.0 raids won't get it either.

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Originally Posted by DarkB

Thank you for stating the obvious, reason why im asking for a change.

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She was just being nice. I would say the same thing because you didn't make it aware that you knew that's how it was. No need to be impatient.

I don't think SE plans on making Alliance based dungeons undersized. There are too many mechanics imo. But never say never. I'm sure the development team thought about it. Trust me, they do a lot of brainstorming that we think should be obvious. Sometimes it hinders their future plans for a more complex fun update. Ye just need to wait and see what Papa SE has in store for us in 4.0 as JunseiKei said.

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No reason to be rude. I'm pointing out Heavensward content is probably not considered "old" yet by their standpoint. Even then, the 24 man raids have yet to be unsynced.

Unfortunately, many of the mechanics in the 24-man raids require the alliance system--they'd have to retool a lot of the fights to get around it.

Rather than that, I'd rather have them focus on new content.

Besides, content isn't "old" until we're in a later expansion. The Void Ark story hasn't finished yet, and Void Ark is still a relevant step in the gearing path for fresh 60s.

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Thank you for stating the obvious, reason why im asking for a change.

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You sure know how to present yourself properly so that people want to support you. /endsarcasm

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No reason to be rude. I'm pointing out Heavensward content is probably not considered "old" yet by their standpoint. Even then, the 24 man raids have yet to be unsynced.

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You have a strange concept of being rude. You just answered with no relevance to anything i was writing. Reason why there was no need to say anything, reason why i answered like that. If you remove your post from this thread you will notice that it doesnt add anything to the discussion, and its kinda a trend lately to just post for the sake of posting.

sorry but just to make you realize your post wast totally useless its like someone asking for a discount and you answer like "hey its not sale period yet wait for it", oh really?

hey can we have a purple sky? The sky is blue at the moment, wait for it, oh really?
get it now?

wow i never thought i had to break these things down. looks like people really need to post something at all costs lol.

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You have a strange concept of being rude. You just answered with no relevance to anything i was writing. Reason why there was no need to say anything, reason why i answered like that. If you remove your post from this thread you will notice that it doesnt add anything to the discussion, and its kinda a trend lately to just post for the sake of posting.

sorry but just to make you realize your post wast totally useless its like someone asking for a discount and you answer like "hey its not sale period yet wait for it", oh really?

hey can we have a purple sky? The sky is blue at the moment, wait for it, oh really?
get it now?

wow i never thought i had to break these things down. looks like people really need to post something at all costs lol.

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You calmed down now or?, as others above said what your asking means them redoing the fight to accomodate less people.

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Originally Posted by DarkB

You have a strange concept of being rude. You just answered with no relevance to anything i was writing. Reason why there was no need to say anything, reason why i answered like that. If you remove your post from this thread you will notice that it doesnt add anything to the discussion, and its kinda a trend lately to just post for the sake of posting.

sorry but just to make you realize your post wast totally useless its like someone asking for a discount and you answer like "hey its not sale period yet wait for it", oh really?

hey can we have a purple sky? The sky is blue at the moment, wait for it, oh really?
get it now?

wow i never thought i had to break these things down. looks like people really need to post something at all costs lol.

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Irony.

To break it down to you: There is a design choice/reason behind NOT making the content synched yet - you seem to believe that thats oh, so easy! Yet it seems to be something the devs cant or dont want to do - we cant unsych normal HW dungeons yet, we cant unsych the old 24 man raids because the devs dont want us to or it would be to complex to adjust the mechanics etc.
She explained this to you since some people dont realise that the easy "fixes" they have in mind arent wanted or wouldnt work - if you get all rude and offended... geez...

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Unfortunately, many of the mechanics in the 24-man raids require the alliance system--they'd have to retool a lot of the fights to get around it.

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The game already accounts for it, somewhat at least. I've been pulled into a group that was not mine when we fought Ozma and pulled him without a full alliance.

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You have a strange concept of being rude. You just answered with no relevance to anything i was writing. Reason why there was no need to say anything, reason why i answered like that. If you remove your post from this thread you will notice that it doesnt add anything to the discussion, and its kinda a trend lately to just post for the sake of posting.

sorry but just to make you realize your post wast totally useless its like someone asking for a discount and you answer like "hey its not sale period yet wait for it", oh really?

hey can we have a purple sky? The sky is blue at the moment, wait for it, oh really?
get it now?

wow i never thought i had to break these things down. looks like people really need to post something at all costs lol.

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So? You could have just said "Thank you for your post, but I meant I want them to not have the restrictions at all" instead of being rude to them and yeah it was rude (you're still being rude infact). If someone posts information you already know you can relax instead of getting defensive. Not everyone is going to understand immediately what you mean at all times (nor would they know, without mind reading powers, what info you currently are aware of already) so when people post and you think they might have missed the issue you raised then you calmly clarify your idea instead of trying to put them down.

Telling them they stated the obvious is just a less obvious way of putting down someone's intelligence. If you are going to get so worked up over someone simply posting something that was probably just trying to offer you info/help then maybe you shouldn't bother posting.

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You have a strange concept of being rude. You just answered with no relevance to anything i was writing. Reason why there was no need to say anything, reason why i answered like that. If you remove your post from this thread you will notice that it doesnt add anything to the discussion, and its kinda a trend lately to just post for the sake of posting.

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Let me direct you to:

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She was just being nice. I would say the same thing because you didn't make it aware that you knew that's how it was.

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Besides, content isn't "old" until we're in a later expansion. The Void Ark story hasn't finished yet, and Void Ark is still a relevant step in the gearing path for fresh 60s.

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Rude
Adjective
1. Offensively impolite or ill-mannered.

It wasn't posting for the sake of posting, especially taking Cleftobismal's statement in mind because that's exactly what crossed my mind.

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Can we? like having to wait 45 minutes+ on a queue for void ark when our current team made of 8 people can do it alone is quite frustrating.

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I'm genuinely curious on how you'd even get past Cetus with only 8 people, considering how the hydroball DPS check works.

I don't like male cats

24 mans should have an unsync feature, but they probably don't do it for mechanics reasons.

Ozma is a good example, they would have to completely destroy the mechanics of that fight, or change how it works completely, for unsynced to be possible. 24 man bosses are just made to have 3 different groups to target, I imagine the game would break if there was only one group available.

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I don't like male cats

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The game already accounts for it, somewhat at least. I've been pulled into a group that was not mine when we fought Ozma and pulled him without a full alliance.

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I believe a huge problem here would be though that it would be difficult to implement a system that allows you to go in with less then 24 but more than 8 people - currently we're unsyching content that only requires one group; unsyching for three groups could prove to be more difficult.

(let alone the fact that they shouldnt just make every content unsych right away - I get that precious little OP wants to play how he wants and that waiting sucks, but making faceroll content even MORE faceroll cant be the answer)

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There are too many mechanics imo.

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That's no reason to prevent people from trying.

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You calmed down now or?, as others above said what your asking means them redoing the fight to accomodate less people.

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Or, they could just leave things as-is and let players try for themselves if they want to go in with less people. Like... most other MMOs.

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That's no reason to prevent people from trying.

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You just chopped up my argument into bits. Why? I don't mind the debate, but you just turned it into a completely different meaning.

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There are too many mechanics imo. But never say never. I'm sure the development team thought about it. Trust me, they do a lot of brainstorming that we think should be obvious. Sometimes it hinders their future plans for a more complex fun update. Ye just need to wait and see what Papa SE has in store for us in 4.0 as JunseiKei said.

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SE has yet to show that they fully understand certain basic ideas that allow players to have fun on their own terms, so I don't have much faith in "wait and see".

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SE has yet to show that they fully understand certain basic ideas that allow players to have fun on their own terms, so I don't have much faith in "wait and see".

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They gave use Undersized. They nerfed the time it took to get Relic, Zodiac, and Anima. We have hildibrand side quest lines, as well as a dynamic Trial system. (Normal/Hard/Extreme/Savage) The Wolves Den. The Triad Card game. Golden Saucer. Lord of Verminion. . .

If you are still not convinced, I'm sorry to hear. Otherwise I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "Certain basic ideas". Would you elaborate for me?

Undersized only under very specific conditions (you can't do it rallied) and for only select instances.

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Undersized only under very specific conditions (you can't do it rallied) and for only select instances.

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If those conditions concern no exp and gil. It's to prevent an easy way for Bots to destroy our economy with illegal gold and selling characters. Undersized is meant to have fun. And as a bonus if you happened to have a quest that requires you to do that dungeon again. You can solo it alone.

It'd be fun for me to go in with less than the required people while not completely overpowering the dungeon. :/

I guess that's getting slightly off-topic though.

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Well you request is pretty pointless also as you want 3.0 content nerfed (that pretty much what unsynced does) when 4.0 is not even out yet.

Well I hope that at least with 4.0 and being level 70 we can go and try the old 2.0 24 man raids with 8 people..even with Khloe and her little book it took me over 30 minutes to join the first of the tower raids..I fear that this will get harder with 4.0..for people that still need the minion, orchestrion rolls, certain glamour this might get near impossible..so please SE make at least the tower raids unsynch doable. We already ignore lots of the mechanics with some of the tower bosses..even synched down to level 50, so they should be possible with less players but being level 70..

Why not use all that time queuing to work on your attitude

Just going to put my two cents in here. if you worried about que times why not make a pf to run them? you know have it set up as alliance a.b.c and go in that might solve it

I think the question is valid, and it's a shame to detract from it by arguing about the rudeness.

There are two separate mechanics which are (annoyingly) rolled into one: undersized and unsynced. I would argue that they should be separated and only unsynced should be locked for current content.

Undersized doesn't make anything 'faceroll' at all. If it's facerollable just because 6 people can go in rather than 8, forcing everyone to stand around making a PF just to have 8 is even more facerollable. I see no reason to keep undersized locked out for even the newest content. Let people go in, explore, try new tactics, watch the opening cutscenes, take pictures. POTD shows there's a type of person that enjoys pushing challenges to their limits; let them play! It's extra content at almost zero cost to the developers.

Unsynced does trivialise content and leaving that for the next expansion cycle is fair. I would support that. So separate the two options and everyone wins (other than those wanting to be carried through old-but-current content).

Since CT is locked out even while it's old content, it's reasonable to raise the question now rather than waiting for 4.0 and being surprised when Void Ark is locked out. Vidu raises a very good point that there might be challenges in physically queueing for the undersized version in an alliance that we aren't appreciating, and of course some encounters are probably never going to be possible without a certain number of players due to their design. But even with WT I cannot get into CT/VA any more, and not everyone plays on high pop servers where PFs will fill over many hours. Even if there are some hard blocks like bosses which cannot possibly be killed without a certain number of people or the mechanics with different parties in an alliance being treated in a certain way outside of the players' control, I think it would be fun to let people have the chance to try; don't nerf the actual fights. Just slap a warning message on there that you will need more players to actually complete it and then nobody can complain. People can still train on the earlier bosses and explore.

Incidentally, it would be very nice to be able to shuffle players in an alliance between parties when inside a dungeon too; other MMOs have this and it really helps. It would also help a lot in PVP because it's annoying when you're in FL and one group has all of the healers while another has none -_-

"Old content"

"Void Ark"

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