Off Topic - IMPORTANT For Every Player.

First off let me say for the guy who'll be thinking it in a minute:
this thread is intended to go off topic of anything pertaining to FFXIV or Square Enix in general.

Many of you may have not heard, there is a real threat to the internet today. A US bill, "SOPA" H.R.3261, that could affect countries outside of America, effect sites like this one.

This is VERY important and I encourage everyone living in America anywhere WORLDWIDE to act to stop this bill from passing.

Links Below

American Censorship
PROTECT IP Act Breaks The Internet (Video)

NOTE: I am a avid player of FFXIV like many of you, this is not a BOT or Spam, I simply hope to pass this extremely vital news to everyone using the internet.


EDIT: Made a small edit, I found out people outside of America can in fact use the above site to stop this bill.

I live in america, not in the US though, and I find this to be highly unimportant to me.

I was gonna post this too, but I wasn't sure how much people would approve of something off topic. but yes this is a very real and important issue, and if you aren't concerned than maybe your a little to wrapped up in some unimportant things like which class is going to have water, or the correction of an elemental wheel.

Guys if America passes something like this, especially on a conservative basis then we're going to see some serious GLOBAL consequences.

Bet the movie and music industry has something to do with this.

Watch the video I posted it explains that.

But really, I hope people take this serious whether they think it concerns them or not. This thread doesn't really need replies, it needs support.

Explain how it would effect sites like this ?

SE own their own IP's and this site isn't even based in America.

US senate is s-t-u-p-i-d if they think they can sensor the internetz

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Originally Posted by Majidah

I live in america, not in the US though, and I find this to be highly unimportant to me.

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Many of you may have not heard, there is a real threat to the internet today. A US bill, "SOPA" H.R.3261, that could affect countries outside of America, effect sites like this one.

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If the bill passes here who's to say that it won't influence other countries? However, I do not come here to discuss anything other than FFXIV, but good luck with this.

The bit in the video about being able to get to the sites just by entering the IP address is iffy. I don't see how it would be out of the bounds of what this bill is trying to do for them to block foreign IPs based on WHOIS/nslookup/grep etc.

Of course it wouldn't affect this site.
It could become relevant to this game specifically if the promised user created addon support become a reality.

I wasn't even aware of this bill they are trying to pass but it scares the living shit out of me none-the-less. Of course, it will 'probably' end up as one of those bills with a bark much stronger than its bite but I'd rather not take that chance. If it got out of hand, every country could have a different internet which completely defeats the purpose of the internet.

I'm only speculating here but if there becomes a tangle between foreign/domestic servers and the transmit of data then yes FFXIV very well could be affected because it would hamper the game's ability to send data across country borders.

All kinds of censorship bother me on a moral level and this one is just completely out of control. Even if this bill doesn't completely destroy everything, it sets a prescedence that opens the door for new bills that give governments (Even the US government!) even more power to censor the world to death to fit their ideals.

Countries have tried to claim ownership of the internet for years and it never works, all this will do, rather than affect the world is pull companies out of america, sending the economy into ruins and the US government being forced out, and possible riots when the $ is almost worthless.

All companies will have to do is move out of america if thier sites are blocked for whatever reason because American law has no power outside the US and that applies to the internet, the US cannot block websites in UK for example unless they are US websites which as I said will cause companies to leave US for other countries and just loose customers in america, if it passes it may open the flood gates but I really dont believe any other country would try it because it has the possibility to completly ruin a countries economy when so much is online.

There is not enough jail space for all the people who would be affected by this haha.

Also all this bill shows is that America is no longer "the land of the free" as every american says (is it not also in the national anthem?) because this is not what "the land of the free" would ever do.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Also all this bill shows is that America is no longer "the land of the free" as every american says (is it not also in the national anthem?) because this is not what "the land of the free" would ever do.

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yes, because a bill pushed by special interest groups that hasn't made it to the floor for a vote, where it will most likely fail proves that the US is no longer free.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Countries have tried to claim ownership of the internet for years and it never works, all this will do, rather than affect the world is pull companies out of america, sending the economy into ruins and the US government being forced out, and possible riots when the $ is almost worthless.

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try asking China how their internet censorship has pushed companies out of China and sent their economy into ruins

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

yes, because a bill pushed by special interest groups that hasn't made it to the floor for a vote, where it will most likely fail proves that the US is no longer free.

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Sadly it won't really matter what we think but rather what the senators and congressmen feel about the subject. Sure we voted for them, but we all know that has a 'questionable' impact on how they vote once they get in office.

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

yes, because a bill pushed by special interest groups that hasn't made it to the floor for a vote, where it will most likely fail proves that the US is no longer free.

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If it gets passed it shows the US isnt, because it will open the floodgates for other bills to be passed, like making watching or uploading a video the government doesnt want you to watch illegal, they will beable to find reasons to block atleast 80% of the internet for people in the US if this gets passed even if other bills have to be passed for it but after this providing it gets passed almost any form of internet censorship will beable to be passed, which will mean the US is no longer a free country, if it doesnt get passed then US will be just as free as it is now.

Also alot of people will have heard of it by now and I have never seen people as scared and spamming details about it for people object which to me seems like alot of people are scared it will get passed, I have seen no information so say otherwise I have seen popups about it, and seen people posting on twitter people are scared and that only happens if theres a good chance a controversial law is going to get passed.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

If it gets passed it shows the US isnt, because it will open the floodgates for other bills to be passed, like making watching or uploading a video the government doesnt want you to watch illegal, they will beable to find reasons to block atleast 80% of the internet for people in the US if this gets passed even if other bills have to be passed for it but after this providing it gets passed almost any form of internet censorship will beable to be passed, which will mean the US is no longer a free country, if it doesnt get passed then US will be just as free as it is now.

Also alot of people will have heard of it by now and I have never seen people as scared and spamming details about it for people object which to me seems like alot of people are scared it will get passed, I have seen no information so say otherwise I have seen popups about it, and seen people posting on twitter people are scared and that only happens if theres a good chance a controversial law is going to get passed.

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even if by some miracle this bill managed to be passed by congress, it's gonna get veto'd by the white house, and this does not nearly have enough support in congress to even remotely come close to having enough votes to overwrite the veto - not to mention the blatant over-reach and vagueness of the language means it won't survive the supreme court even if it gets that far, which it won't.

It's not wrong to be concerned and put in the efforts to make sure this won't pass as a citizen, but worrying about it as if it's already signed into law is tantamount to building a shelter in your basement to hide from the invading alien from mars.

also, twitter is a bad way to judge whether congress will get anything passed :P

It would affect this site in that SE be reliable for anything we post, if we post links to violated content (eg videos with illegal music on), SE become liable XD.

But it is a long shot that it gets passed.

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

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even if by some miracle this bill managed to be passed by congress, it's gonna get veto'd by the white house, and this does not nearly have enough support in congress to even remotely come close to having enough votes to overwrite the veto - not to mention the blatant over-reach and vagueness of the language means it won't survive the supreme court even if it gets that far, which it won't.

It's not wrong to be concerned and put in the efforts to make sure this won't pass as a citizen, but worrying about it as if it's already signed into law is tantamount to building a shelter in your basement to hide from the invading alien from mars.

also, twitter is a bad way to judge whether congress will get anything passed :P

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You never know how senitors will vote, but the entire US population is scared that it could get passed, which means something, I will admit I am in the UK, so I dont hear the big picture so I could miss alot but this is the first time I have ever seen publicity like this apart from a presidential election, with the publicity there could be a good chance it will not get passed, but the companies have more power than the goverment because without companies there is no economy and the country goes bankrupt, the music and film industries carry alot of power in the US, so I dont believe even if it fails we have heard the last of it.

@ Delsus

this is not the first law of its kind to have been proposed, and it won't be the last, and frankly, I haven't seen much of anything to suggest this is anything more than all the other failed attempts before it. The opposition has a better media/awareness campaign going this time, but that's about it.

TBH, if you want something to worry about, the ACTA treaty would be a far better candidate.

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@ Delsus

this is not the first law of its kind to have been proposed, and it won't be the last, and frankly, I haven't seen much of anything to suggest this is anything more than all the other failed attempts before it. The opposition has a better media/awareness campaign going this time, but that's about it.

TBH, if you want something to worry about, the ACTA treaty would be a far better candidate.

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A lot has passed as well. Evident on youtube mostly with all the muted music or removed videos, even if in the slightest. Not all propositions are on the same thing, not all have failed. Its building up.

Hi everyone.

We do appreciate all of your opinions on this matter. However we would need to keep the topics of discussion to things that are FFXIV related. And sadly we will have to close this thread now. But thank you once again.