doesn't exist in PVP because...:
1.) Goad has no real use since TP isn't an issue
2.) Smoke screen has no use in PVP, (maybe a PVP use where you can't target a player with Smoke screen active)
3.) Shadewalker has no use in PVP.
All these great utility abilities are in my opinion, completely useless in PVP.
I'm sure we've seen countless threads about ninja etc., but hello FFXIV PVP community and development team.
-I look forward to it!
Ninja Pride
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11-12-2016, 06:16 AMMajisTekNinja Pride
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11-12-2016, 06:26 AMDimitriiMust not be a primal player. Only melee more popular than NIN here is Monk. For some inexplicable reason DRG is the least seen melee in Feast on primal. I agree with your points though NIN sucks in feast. They ok in frontlines though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajisTek
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11-16-2016, 01:05 AMEvangela
I feel like ninjas are so useless in the Feast, unlike in Frontline, so I don't do Feast.
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11-16-2016, 01:55 AMKai_Lee
Supposedly they are the weakest of the melees in the feast, but that does not stop players from using ninjas and winning with ninjas.
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11-16-2016, 01:57 AMIgneousThis ^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai_Lee
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11-16-2016, 03:18 AMBartlebyTrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai_Lee
False.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai_Lee
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11-18-2016, 07:21 AMShaluaLie
Won plenty of times with nin the utilities are great. We help u get ur kill. Paired with a war we can go all day
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11-18-2016, 07:55 AMKai_Lee
Knowing ninjas are the weakest melee dps, when I see a mnk on my team and a ninja on the other team, I feel confidence we are going to win the melee battles until I see my mnk just get rekked by the ninja. Ouch.
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11-18-2016, 06:51 PMSuperZay
I don't know, ninja is fine. Yes, monk and dragoon do more damage, but in the end only bursts/kills matter for a win. And it's somewhat easy to kill with a ninja.
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11-18-2016, 11:40 PMKai_Lee
I don't think you can judge by that match alone, seem unfair at the start. Drk vs war, I don't think I ever lost a match against a drk and if I do its rare, its also rare to see a drk as well.
Blm vs bard, same thing, very rare to see blm in NA feast, and it seems you guys were targeting the blm all game as well. -
11-19-2016, 12:13 AMKai_Lee
How is a gold + silver + 2 unrank = gold + 2 silver + bronze
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11-19-2016, 12:31 AMYubii
Matchmaking is full of surprises i had a Gold + 3x silver vs 3xGold + Silver match too. i Consider myself very lucky
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11-19-2016, 01:35 AMSuperZayMatchmaking is done by a score, not by a rank. That gold and silver can be very close to platinum/gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai_Lee
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11-19-2016, 01:41 AMKai_Lee
Even if the gold and silver is high up, 2 players cant carry 2 unrank players, IMO
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11-19-2016, 06:42 AMSuperZay
Last season many alts started as unranked and got into Top 100 very quickly with high win rate because they got paired with as strong players, abusing matchmaking system. Like that WHM with 77% win rate who got into Chaos' season 2 top 100 in a few days before season end with less than 50 wins. He was still in i142 gear when I saw him first time yet he kept winning because his main is #4 on JP datacenter. You never know what you get for an unranked player, which is why this whole score system in not reliable.
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11-19-2016, 10:16 AMEnlialRight. This isnt pve and damage totals on the scoreboard don't mean jack if you didn't accomplish anything with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperZay
Ninja actually does have pretty high spike burst. suiton > enliven > duality > trick attack > aeolian edge crams a huge amount of damage into a very small timeframe. The OP does sort of have a point though. Ninja can basically burst once every 90 seconds, and in between that theres not a lot you can do. Monk, on the other hand, has an absolute ton of ogcd abilities with very short cooldowns.
But yeah, Ninja isnt as bad as people want to insist. Honeslty I think SMN is in a worse spot right now. Its really not even remotely comparable to mch or brd in 4v4. -
11-26-2016, 05:50 AMyukkan
lurk...walk around...TRICK ATTACK. problem solved
my only issue is i cannot go in stealth mode whenever i want. need to die 1st... -
12-01-2016, 07:45 AMSuperZaySo wait... you have never used Trick Attack midfight because you don't know how Suiton works? You don't even need to walk around because Enliven removes direction requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by yukkan
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12-01-2016, 09:32 PMEnlial
Dont bother trying to land trick attack from stealth :| Its rather difficult + time consuming to try and get behind a moving target, even if they cant see you + while perma-slowed to boot. On top of that, ninja pretty much relies on its ability to do short, but hard hitting and fast spikes of burst damage. Trick attack is 400 potency so you really need to integrate it into that (Ideally with dancing edge + shadow fang on your target, and a duality-ed aeolian edge readied, and ready to spam all your other ogcd stuff quickly after. In practice ofc you dont always have the luxury of being able to set all that up xD but yea)
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12-02-2016, 02:59 AMStormfur
So how is playing ninja in feast? As I'm leveling up WAR, I'd like to get in more practice with melee (and shorter queue times TBH) but I hate the directional requirements of monk. I like the idea of hidden + trick attack but yeah, setting that up when everything's moving so fast is.... a {Dream within a Dream}. Is it that vital to have in Feast?
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12-02-2016, 03:30 AMTiramisuMacaron
Ninja is the worst melee dps in feast by a mile. You honestly don't have to use the directional requirements of monk for monk to be super strong. It has high availably of burst using ogcds (IR, forbidden, elixir, tornado kick) and it had insane defenses with fists of earth, two strong self heals, and traited feather foot.