Hello! I'm well past the limit of how many buttons I have the dexterity to press on my keyboard, so I've started some macro work. I was hoping somebody could help me out.
/ac "Shield Bash"
/ac "Shield Lob"
/ac "Cover"
So, I was trying to figure out how to do macro conditions like I'm used to in WoW, but no dice. So, this is the closest I could come up with. Since it goes line by line, Bash has priority over Lob. So, if my target is in melee, I will bash. If not, I will Lob. If my target is friendly, neither will fire and I will use Cover. I've tested it in a few runs, and it seems to work perfectly. Is there a way to cram more out of this?
/ac "Fight or Flight"
/ac "Bloodbath"
I tried forever to get these to pop together, to find that I can't animation cancel, so no dice again. I originally tried a wait command, but that didn't work out. The best solution I've found so far has been this, and mashing the button to get both off. It's not elegant. Is there a better way?
PLD Macro help
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11-11-2016, 03:29 AMdragonseth07PLD Macro help
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11-11-2016, 03:57 AMLaunched
Get rid of your macros, they work horribly in this game.
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11-11-2016, 03:59 AMJpec07
Unfortunately you can't make actions work together. Every action has an animation lock, and only very few oGCD actions can break the animations of GCD actions.
For the Bloodbath one, you'll need to add a wait call in there:
/ac "Fight or Flight" <wait>
/ac Bloodbath
That way you can either hit it once and let it do both CDs, or you can spam it until both actions fire. But keep in mind: any action or macro you fire while this is running will exit the macro.
I don't believe they've added logical statements to the macro language, unfortunately, so what you have there is probably the best bet. You can specify the target of your ability with relation to yourself, your current target, or your focus target, but that can get tricky.
NO UQuote:
Originally Posted by Launched
Besides, it's a bit rude to tell someone not to use something when they're asking how to use it. -
11-11-2016, 04:43 AMaleph_nullTo be fair it's true though, macro is bad for gcd skills, and rather clunky even for ogcd skills. It might be due to my latency (~70ms) but I don't have much luck with double weaving ogcds when one of them is on a macro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jpec07
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11-11-2016, 05:11 AMThe_NPC
Macro'ing some moves for space or funcional use is a shound idea just don't go making 1 for an actual combo (like fast blade-savage-RoH)
My PLD macro's are for 2 def cd's, 1 attack buff, 1 AoE arrgo & 1 Ranged arrgo recover (only 2 of with use the /wait 1 inbetween, thats the arrgo recover & AoE arrgo) these 5 are:
Convelence/Foresight (2nd press used to activare Forsight)
Bulwark/Awaerness (2nd press for Awaerness)
Fight or Flight/Bloodbath (2nd press for Bloodbath)
Provoke/Shield lob (uses wait macro to auto-use 2nd)
Circle of Scorn/Flash (uses wait marco to auto-use 2nd)
I find "not" using the wait macro for atk/def buff moves more useful as I can eather faster use or not use the 2nd & the pairing of each buff macro is based on their repective recast timers thou awaerness does have a slightly short recast timer than Bulwark. the 2 /wait users are for ease of use in a pinch (u gota use arrgo move after Provoke anyway & u can't predict the distance all the time, plus I use a controller so I put Shield lob & cut the marco I found to make it down my 1 skill) & yes I still have flash on my hotbar anyway I just macro'd 1 to Scorn for ease when AoE arrgoing in my early tank days & never saw a need to remove it. -
11-11-2016, 06:11 AMRongway
Waits are a very bad idea for several reasons. Ignoring the obvious arguments of macros at all interfering with the action queue, there are no guarantees that an action sequence macro will perform all of its actions. This means far more than 0.1s lost if your sequential actions don't fire.
The above two macros combining Provoke with Shield Lob and Circle of Scorn with Flash could just as easily remove the wait and require two button presses, since the first action in each case is an oGCD ability.
For the OP's macro combining Fight or Flight with Bloodbath, the same is applies. Don't use waits. Just hit the button twice. -
11-11-2016, 08:16 AMWarkupo
You shouldn't use macros for global cooldown (GCD) abilities since a macro cannot be queue'd, which means that you will be significantly slower at executing actions.
Macros are fine for non-gcd cooldown actions like Sentinel, Bloodbath, or Fight or Fight though since those actions are optimally preformed BETWEEN GCDs. -
11-11-2016, 12:21 PMrepoe
I'm assuming your not using any shift or ctrl modifers or rebinding?
I use 1 thru =[6 thru = are abilities least used] , shift + 1 thru 6, ctrl 1 thru 6
QERT, shift+ERT. V, B for Stances since I play mainly WAR but also pld n NIn -
11-12-2016, 12:36 AMdragonseth07I definitely am using both Shift and Ctrl as modifiers. The issue is that I simply don't have the dexterity to reliably hit many buttons on the keyboard. Realistically, any number past 4 when I'm hovering WASD only has a chance of being the right button, and 7+ is impossible. I've struggled with limited button accessibility through many MMO's before this one. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by repoe
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11-12-2016, 09:30 PMValenthYou may want to try slotting some skills to the buttons around WASD then. QERFVCXZ for example. If you use a shift/ctrl/alt modifier for those, together with what you have, you should have enough buttons for all your skills. I can greatly recommend giving Taugrim's keybinding guide a read, should help a lot (and no need for fancy mouse/keyboards): https://taugrim.com/2011/04/07/guide...d-keybindings/Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonseth07
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11-12-2016, 10:49 PMKitfoxI second this. Improve your keybinds and muscle memory instead of using macros. I use a similar setup in that guide: Movement with QWE (backwards not bound) hotbar 1234 ASDF ZXCV modified with alt and shift.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valenth
Rebind the keys near your movement setup and find combinations that work for you. Everybody's different so there's no right answer. -
11-13-2016, 01:58 PMThe_NPC
okay I can agree keybinding works better for PC players but I play FF14 on PS4 so keybinds are more of a hinderance for me as my keyboard for texting is not in my hands when I tank (if I was a PC player for this game I would be using keybinds instead) that why I gave the marco's I use cause thats how I manage to Tank with PLD on PS4 without failing much (most of my fails are situational awareness lapses & not my macro's)
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11-15-2016, 07:55 AMKeldon
Also, have you considered getting a mouse with a couple extra buttons on the side? If you bind those extra buttons to hotbar slots that are out of reach, say the 7+ section, then you can use those skills quickly as well, with the added benefit of it not hindering your movement at all since it doesn't use the same hand (if you need to move ASAP to dodge something you can still activate those skills with your other hand, without having to let go of your WASD section).
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11-15-2016, 03:24 PMShug
Do a search on youtube for ffxiv tank macro. There is an excellent video that shows you for controller, but it can work for mouse and keyboard too. He's not asking about macros for combos guys, just ogcd moves combined with gcd moves combined in the same button, you still have to press the same button to make each move go off. It works really well and can cut your buttons down to around 15.
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11-23-2016, 05:53 AMbardaboo
I too frown on most macros. I have my pld down to 32 button on ps4. Most jobs will work on the 32 button system. So you're going to have a hard time with every job :(
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11-23-2016, 12:50 PMdragonseth07
I've been able to pretty much solve my issues with all of your helpful suggestions. I've bound 1-5,Q,E,R,Z,X,C,V and got Shift and Ctrl for modifiers bound to the two buttons on the side of my mouse. It's working wonders. Thank you very much, everyone.
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11-25-2016, 08:45 AMJim_Berry
PLD:
/macroicon "Fight or Flight"
/ac "Fight or Flight" <me>
/ac "Bloodbath" <me>
I keep these on cooldown as much as possible when I'm main tank.
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WAR:
/macroicon "Overpower"
/facetarget <t>
/ac "Overpower" <t>
It may have been fixed, but back in 2.X, if I hit Overpower while pulling mobs, strangely sometimes, Overpower hits the targeted mob (although I'm not facing it) but not the others behind it while I'm running. /facetarget <t> makes me quickly turn to the targeted mob and smack them all as I'm running towards the next group.
/macroicon "Thrill of Battle"
/ac "Thrill of Battle" <me>
/ac "Convalescence" <me>
Self-explanatory. The boost of HP, plus the recovery, but the healing received potency makes me less squishy.
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I have no macros on DRK. -
11-25-2016, 09:01 AMJim_BerryNot macro-related, but I am at ease with the L2>R2 and R2>L2 combinations. This is Hotbar 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by bardaboo
UP: Divine Veil
DOWN: Awareness
LEFT: Convalescence
RIGHT: Bulwark
TRIANGLE: Rampart
X: Foresight
SQUARE: Sheltron
CIRCLE: Sentinel
I have these on both L2 and R2, so that way, there's no mistake if I need an emergency CD. Holding L2 then holding R2 will give me the same setup if I'm holding R2 then holding L2. It sounds complicated, but in action, you'll be hitting them naturally. I also keep my Defensive CDs on Hotbar 8 so I don't accidently use them for when I really need them. -
12-21-2016, 01:18 AMCursling
I had this issue a while back, playing this game on release is why I bit the bullet and bought a naga at the time, 12 side buttons plus ctrl, shift, alt meant I could use 4 action bars worth of skills without ever moving from wasd.
It's not a problem solver for everyone but I'd be lost without a no. Pad on a mouse. -
01-06-2017, 09:44 PMhakurou46This doesn't actually work, does it? Due to animation locks, convalescence will only go off once Thrill of Battle is already used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_Berry
If you DO want to key them together, you need to put a wait timer on it:
/ac Thrill of Battle <wait.1>
/ac Convalescence
Rolled up some video showcasing this problem. My game language is japanese, but it's Thrill of Battle and Convalescence still.
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01-06-2017, 11:09 PMdragonseth07It's a mash macro. You spam the button and the second will go off after the first finishes.Quote:
Originally Posted by hakurou46
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01-07-2017, 12:12 AMEdewen
What is said about macros being a bad idea is quite correct unfortunately. There is a bright side. If you have a mouse like a razer naga, or a programmable keyboard, you can use THAT macro interface to tie certain cooldowns to skills without concern of breaking the in game action queue system. Then again, if you were playing with a naga mouse, you would have plenty of keys to use.