http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...g/deepdungeon/
The highest floor reached by every job (and some classes) solo ratings across all datacenters after the first week.
Floor 170 - SCH
Floor 160 - WAR, WHM, AST
Floor 150 - PLD, DRK, SMN
Floor 130 - MNK, DRG, NIN, BRD, ARC, MCH, BLM
Floor 115 - ACN
Floor 109 - PGL
Floor 100 - ROG
PotD favors not only skill, but certain job selection. Sadly, it looks like Floor 130 boss is unpassable and the final floor for all jobs without sufficient self-healing, which only shows how inbalanced are jobs when it comes to soloing content.
Deep Dungeon top floor reached solo by a job (Week 1)
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11-08-2016, 06:48 PMSuperZayDeep Dungeon top floor reached solo by a job (Week 1)
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11-08-2016, 07:06 PMZojhaYou can scratch "when it comes to soloing content".Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperZay
They're imbalanced in general, because they are only balanced within their respective niché - tanks are not compared with healers or DPS, only with other tanks. Healers, likewise, are not compared with tanks or DPS, only other healers.
And if you look at it like that, it's actually fairly balanced. Only one in each role pulls a little ahead. -
11-08-2016, 07:08 PMVaeria
Shush Zay! And burn that list. We can't so freely be giving away the secrets of PvP to filthy PvErs so easily.
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11-08-2016, 07:12 PMCosmicKirby
Indeed, the Tanks and Healers can push through 130, but noone else seems to be so lucky. Sans SMN, which can at least heal their pet.
I don't think it would be out of the question to begin to include "Dungeon Skills" for the Jobs, similar to PvP, to help close this gap. Especially considering Square plans on adding other deep dungeons in the future. -
11-08-2016, 09:08 PMAutoWhit
I'm sorry but I don't exactly want jobs to be homogenized like all the classes in WoW. I'm fine with damage dealers, or any non-healer job, not being strong self healers.
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11-08-2016, 09:55 PMZojhaThat's fair game. But shouldn't, then, non damage dealers have weak DPS to make up for their sustain, the result thus becoming equal? Whether you last 10 seconds and deal 100 DPS or whether you last 100 seconds and deal 10 DPS, the end result is the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by AutoWhit
Besides, isn't giving everyone damage a form of homogenization, too?
I dunno, I find that argument fairly weak. -
11-08-2016, 10:06 PMSerilda
Given how long it took them to support PVP bars and the like, I'd rather not juggle Deep Dungeon-only skills. But it would be good to have more solo viability for this gradually make its way into the game. It would be perfectly appropriate for, say, Black Mage to get some kind of Drain skill later on, and for tactics revolving around crowd control or interrupts to make other jobs viable in different ways without just giving every job Physick/Esuna and calling it a day.
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11-08-2016, 10:33 PMAirget
You're forgetting the d/c variable. I had a run on Rogue heading towards 130 but it was cut short and thus my run isn't even on the list. So it's possible there are players who have achieved higher but sadly d/cs caused their score to get lost.
You won't know the exact variables until at least a month in when people understand it better considering that not everyone has 5-10hrs to spare to attempt a run up. There could be runs going on atm that have broken the cap you see for certain jobs however scores are not counted until you die. With that said, ya for DPS, the 130 boss is real tricky, you have to be able to manipulate survivability to overcome the odds but it's not easy. Even duo as a Rogue/SMN in another run, I barely stayed alive with 1k HP left.
Funny enough, I wonder if people who have made it up to the 170 boss lost because they didn't notice that the Douse gives the boss a Haste + Att bonus and you have to make sure the circle is out of the water completely.
I can also see the issue with the 160 if you let the Bleed even get one tick off it's game over. -
11-09-2016, 12:40 AMVaer
180 will be tough for solo/duo. The last mechanic is pretty lame.
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11-09-2016, 01:43 AMSendohJinso you want tanks and healers to take 10x as long to go through a solo story quest or do you want every story quest designed with 3 paths so that they can always be cleared?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
that kind of balance is dumb. and to say tanks with Swords and Axes shouldn't be able to do damage is also dumb.
i'm kind of okay with taking damage away from healers if you let them have a bodyguard solo that they can heal all the time that kills stuff for them.
if you think queueing as DPS for stuff doesn't take long enough now, wait till the game is "balanced" your way when nobody can play tank/healer cause they can't kill anything to progress independently. -
11-09-2016, 02:42 AMCUTS3RIt is not that hard on a 99/99 WAR at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperZay
I did it earlier with relative ease and 5mins 30sec remaining. All you have to do on the boss is bait the puddles along the edge and go in the middle for fear itself as soon as he drops the 4th one, then rinse and repeat for the entire fight. He hits harder than the floor 30 version because of the cleave and the cast for fear itself is shorter but aside from the that its the same thing.
With the load of potions you get and self heals, its doable.
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11-09-2016, 03:01 AMNezeriusThat's the OP's point, it's even in the part of the sentence that you didn't quote. "Sadly, it looks like Floor 130 boss is unpassable and the final floor for all jobs without sufficient self-healing"Quote:
Originally Posted by CUTS3R
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11-09-2016, 03:02 AMFelis
Every character can do it solo if the player put more time into the character to make him stronger (learning more than just 1 job)
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11-09-2016, 03:12 AMCUTS3RWhat? How will this help in POTD since you can't change the job you're doing the run with ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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11-09-2016, 03:28 AMSuperZayOf course it's not hard on a WAR, even I can do it and I don't even play a WARQuote:
Originally Posted by CUTS3R
http://i.imgur.com/afIKbsr.png?1
but I know a couple of people who can speedrun Dark Souls series with lv1 character and even they say 130 is not possible on a melee/ranged solo. -
11-09-2016, 03:28 AMSendohJinwhen you die at 130, you can change jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CUTS3R
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11-09-2016, 04:43 AMoLLiCS
I don't see anyone getting past 180.
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11-09-2016, 07:04 AMRadacciyou are giving this advice to the top players in the world? did you try solo potd past floor 100?Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
i think he/she means getting cross-class skills...that's obviously going to make drg/mnk/nin, pass floor 130...Quote:
Originally Posted by CUTS3R
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11-09-2016, 07:24 AMUnderdog2204
The issue is that Halers and Tanks can put out decent damage and have massive sustain. DPS put out damage (which also requires a tank to do their best) but have zero sustain....
I don't see how even the people who say that healer and tank damage is fine as it is (which I agree) would say that this is in anyway balanced. Arn't their supposed to be ups and downs to selecting something? Where is the downside to some of these jobs?
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11-09-2016, 07:34 AMServerCollaps
most dd classes would only require probably 1 or 2 more selfheals to clear 130, or lower the cd of second wind, bloodbath or max-pots by 30 sec
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11-09-2016, 07:44 AMRadaccii doubt they will add self heals, for dd to solo more content :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
it's mostly just the dd that need pots, so it should be ok to lower cd of pots, at least; or increase their potency, further. -
11-09-2016, 07:45 AMAmetrineBut not everyone can cross-class those moves. Physick is garbage on a BLM and SMN unless we stack MND accesories, but that's a massive hit to our output.Quote:
Originally Posted by ServerCollaps
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11-09-2016, 07:46 AMAmetrine
Actually, what about those self-rezzing pomanders? Would those make a difference?
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11-09-2016, 08:30 AMMisteI don't think you've seen the floor 180 boss...Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
I would say only healers would be able to clear floor 180 solo, if that, and here is why :x
Spoilers for floor 180 boss/mechanics etc in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMFai40uIT8
We went in blind and well didn't expect exactly that to happen lol caught us way off guard and some serious panicking
After that I need some kind of relaxing therapy....I also wonder how far other duo's have gotten so far. It's hard to tell on the rankings.
PS. The original video was about 5 minutes and 30 seconds but I sped up the video 1.5x to shorten the video time. -
11-09-2016, 08:59 AMSpookyGhostIs there no way to stop him from spamming that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Miste
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11-09-2016, 09:02 AMBlood-AkiYep.. good luck soloing that with no healer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miste
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11-09-2016, 09:08 AMMisteAs far as I know no there isn't. My boyfriend (the WAR) tried to stun it and he's immune and I really doubt silence will work. It is basically a DPS check you have to burst him from 15% to dead before he gets too many meteors off. If we try again we were going to try using a Lust pom to put vulnerability on him at 20% and then try to burst better with me trying to keep both of us alive instead of me panic soloing it lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
Yeah I know :/ those higher floors are so brutal. Solo seems almost impossible atm unless healer maybe since I managed to solo it barely at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
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11-09-2016, 09:11 AMBlood-AkiWell you hung in there and showed the fact to never neglect ethers either, the fact he just does it none stop means he needs to go down fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miste
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11-09-2016, 09:12 AMVaerYou can wait for him to start a mechanic to get some extra time but it would probably be safer to have 5 lust stacks on him before pushing and just burn. It's not that much health really but duos might have some issues. It's not a big deal for 4 player parties, (they have access to LB) just if you are trying to lowman it's gonna be tough to kill him before he wipes you if no heals.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
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11-09-2016, 09:15 AMMisteYeah lol I panicked so bad I used a cordial by accident at first LOL ...yeah I think I can laugh about that now oh boy it was scary lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
Yeah it seems once he hits 15% or 14% he just spams it and does nothing else until he dies or you die so he has to die quickly to avoid wiping. -
11-09-2016, 10:00 AMLone-wolfe-02Tell me how that helps when you can't sustain yourself through potions alone :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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11-09-2016, 01:06 PMRhaja
Its not so much a imbalance with the jobs as some meet the terrain better. When they want it to be more doable as Solo they'll just go Diablo 3 on it and health orbs or a pomadore that works like a supped up BloodBath.
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11-09-2016, 05:55 PMRadaccino. the boss reset while you res. either it will instantly aggro and quickly kill you again, since you got res sickness, or you'll have to start from scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ametrine
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11-09-2016, 08:02 PMrandysquirrel
Have to say I'm loving potd. me and three friends been going in, and no other content in the game conjures up the feeling of nerves and fear as poking about on the top (bottom?) floors knowing anything could realistically wipe you at any moment, and it's taken a good few hours to get to this point. Furthest we've got so far is 182, we wiped when we were killing something then a chimera spawned out of nowhere, caught the healer off guard and they went down to it's mech, and it seems quite often a snowball effect, as soon as one person drops, everyone else follows quite quickly lol. Even tho we had the rez pom up, by the time the healer got up, the tank had gone down, then we dps were short work
has been some fun times on voice comms, cracking up at our healer, a quite loud greek lady, literally screaming "IT S A F***ING MIMIC, WE'VE GOT A GOD DAMN F***ING MIMIC HERE" when she opened a chest on 179 and the tank didn't immediately see it and grab it lol
know some people have asked for it to be nerfed and you be able to save at every 10 floors, imo this will remove the one thing that makes this content such nervous fun -
11-10-2016, 12:18 AMFelisI mean if one job don't work, try another job. It will be still the same character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radacci