This is getting so tedious beyond belief reporting people who bot. If its this bad on Balmung imagine the servers that can create new people at will. If you do a search of archers and thaums 1-60 at 10 level intervals I counted over 500 before I stopped. All named QWRQWR qwerqe or some variation of nonsense. If you do not have the man power to act fast enough to ban these mass accounts then perhaps creation of so many new characters needs to be altered or something. It is just getting out of hand after so many years.
Over 500 bots on Balmung. Please let us click report!
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11-07-2016, 11:42 AMGaldousOver 500 bots on Balmung. Please let us click report!
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11-07-2016, 11:50 AMLukha
I. Um. What? They added this in last patch. Right-click the character's name and select 'report RMT'.
Adamantoise barely has any spammers these days. It's glorious. -
11-07-2016, 11:53 AMHeliantheaeIt doesn't sound like RMT but botting for mats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukha
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11-07-2016, 12:06 PMHaelseMikiro
I'm sure SE is working on this. The last 2 notices for bans (Oct 27th @ 14567 and Nov 4th @ 19980) have been the 2 largest weekly bans since the launch of 2.0.
Either SE has stepped up their ban efforts in the last couple weeks, the bots are out in stronger force than ever before, or a combination of the two. Either way the ban hammer is swinging more right now then it ever has.
Since the launch of 2.0, 129750 accounts have been banned for advertising alone, and the number for actual botting is....I haven't had the motivation to sum that up, but it's bigger >< -
11-07-2016, 12:06 PMRita1989
RMT on balmung havent send tells/spam advertisments since heavensward at least, to valuable for them to waste their bots on that
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11-07-2016, 12:43 PMreiichi
RE: Bots on Balmung
...most of them are multibox farmers.
The right-click to report is purely for RMT Spammers/chat-based RMT. Nothing we can do about the hoards of them that usually move in unison in the cities or kill every single mob around the Sultantree. Spent a day once just reporting them. They spawned in Ul'dah faster than I could report. Even with a macro that'd just grab their names for easier reporting. ( /e <t> ). And that was reporting batches of about 15-30.
They're annoying, and they're likely contributing to how full the server is, but thank god they're quiet. Probably not worth the transfer cost to get in to spam. -
11-07-2016, 01:05 PMUltimateAoe2
If you're really bothered by bots that don't even bother you, something's wrong.
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11-07-2016, 02:19 PMAtoliYou do realize that botting severely influences the player market and therefore DOES bother everyone in a way?Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2
Pretty sure the main reason for that is the introduction of the RMT-report by right-click. Since before, only very few people reported RMT spam and now it gets reported to SE a lot more since it became so easy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro
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11-07-2016, 06:34 PMSwdVengeanceThis is one of those kind of comments that really gets under my skin. I don't like to draw assumptions, but I take it if you saw a little old lady getting her pursed mugged, you just whistle and keep on walking since it's none of your business? Wasn't your purse. As Atoli said, Bots like this exponentially inflate the markets but more importantly, almost always are the gil funnels that fuel the RMT market. That in and of itself leads to more RMT spam bots bothering people. I don't think anyone really likes to live in a high crime neighborhood, by intentionally ignoring the fact it exists just because you perceive it hasn't affected you only furthers the problem itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2
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11-07-2016, 06:55 PMBourne_Endeavor
Keep in mind, GMs sometimes wait several days/weeks to ban primarily because they want to find the source. There isn't much point of just mass banning bots since whoever made them will just make new ones. If they can track down the person and ban them. You kill two birds with one stone.
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11-07-2016, 07:19 PMDumbledoremdPeople like you are a part of the problem why should we turn a blind eye too itQuote:
Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2
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11-08-2016, 12:23 AMLineageRazorWhile it is true that these bots are far from harmless, they are also, practically speaking, unfightable. These low level bots can be mass produced at a rate that FAR exceeds SE's ability to fight them. Keep in mind, that SE is vastly outnumbered in this regard; the total amount of manpower and resources fielded by all the various RMT companies out there vastly outnumbers anything SE could possibly hope to bring to bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwdVengeance
So, SE does not bother with these mass produced bots, and they SHOULDN'T. Instead, their focus is on seeing where the money flows to - and then destroying that. This hurts RMT much more than sweeping up level one bots does, and is something they actually have a prayer of stopping.
So, when you see hordes of bots teleporting here and there in Thanalan, just ignore them. They aren't going away, and there's no methods currently existent that could stop them. Just take comfort in the fact that SE IS doing something about RMT in general, even if you never see the gil-laden mules that actually get the banstick. -
11-08-2016, 12:27 AMFelis
bring a bot to write something in the chat, righ click on bot's name, write out a report in a pop-up window why you think that it is a bot.
Something like that? Or how else should it work? -
11-08-2016, 12:33 AMShiloEET
Balmung is a terrible server honestly.
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11-08-2016, 03:32 AMJijifliMass material farming which can after economy. If the enemy is a quest mob, it can actually slow or even completely stop a players progress in the story. On an alt I did actually have to wait 15 minutes to do a main story quest because they kept instant dying to bots under the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2
I don't know about you, but that's pretty bothering to be stopped completely in a required story because of botting. -
11-08-2016, 03:39 AMMwynnI'm not bothered by RMT Bots, I'm rather bothered by normal Player Bots that have a normal Name, a normal FC, have Sophia or even Savage Weapons and yet farm tons of Mats as a Gatherer over Night.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2
Yes they exist and are on every Server and affect the Marketboard with their 99 Stacks of Smithsonite Ores or Luminium Ores...
Easy to find out ...
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11-08-2016, 04:28 AMDustytomeThey still have to purchase copies of the game, register and then create characters to start over. Pay someone minimum wage for awhile to play wack-a-mole. Each time they knock one of the bots out that's another copy of the game that has to be purchased. They'd essentially be paying someone to print them money. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LineageRazor
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11-08-2016, 04:36 AMMwynnStolen Keys obtained by CCF, Keys that were obtainable with Cheap Money in different Countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustytome
That's a Reason why Square Enix Bans Players who buy Cheap Keys on Websites that do not have Trusted Sellers.
More to read here : http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...c2fd1b14bcf06f -
11-08-2016, 05:03 AMWelsper59These are the ones that you generally won't see any negative repercussions happen to. Actually justifying a ban for legit player bot activity is significantly more difficult, primarily because there is no linking supportive evidence besides "this looks like it might be a bot". Even those 99 stacks you have mentioned isn't good enough, and thus these bots are usually put on the low priority list (i.e. ignore list). Outside of bot sessions, they likely act and do as any other non-botting player does. Unless they admit to their activities in-game, there's only a very low chance of being banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwynn
A lot of those legit players that bot and get caught either admit to it or use a hack tool in a way that is easy to detect server side. Even position and speed hacking is extremely difficult to, without a doubt, accuse someone of unless they admit to it or it's used in an abusive way (e.g. massive position changes that notify the server of timed changes (zoning, node use, combat actions)). SE has never been good at detecting players that aren't that stupid, including during the XI days. GMs being present to observe is very rare in XIV, so you usually can't count on that.
Typically that's not how it works. The only expenses that most RMT companies make are to buy stolen credit card information or unauthorized distribution of time cards and activation codes, which for at least the card information, come in bulks of thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands of card numbers. As long as a card number gains them access to the game, they essentially get to play on that account until the card is cancelled and the monthly sub is up or SE bans it. With the slow pace that most MMORPG companies like to move on their RMT bans, this basically means that RMT have an almost guaranteed allotted time period to do their business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustytome
The cost for card info isn't much in the grand scheme of things, especially when you consider that RMT don't lock themselves to only one game or activity. That one valid card info will gain them access to ALL of their card necessary activities. Now multiply that by the thousands upon thousands of valid cards they probably have, and you get an idea of how much profit RMT stands to make while the companies they "spend" on don't make anything and often lose money. -
11-08-2016, 05:05 AMBlood-AkiUsually the type of comment said by the botters or people who use them. They bother everyone just by being here, if you actually understand the chain effect they have on the economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2
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11-08-2016, 05:24 AMSwdVengeanceNow I don't disagree that from a practicality standpoint, it's like trying to hold back the tide. My issue was not that someone wasn't reporting every one they saw, but that they didn't even have an issue with it if it didn't directly affect them.Quote:
Originally Posted by LineageRazor
That said, just because the issue may be beyond the individual level to fix via reports, that hardly excuses being a willful bystander to it. I tend to be of the mindset that if you can't be bothered to take even the smallest active role against it, you don't have room to complain about it. I don't ever think reporting to the police that some guy stole a little old lady's purse would ever stop crime altogether in a neighborhood, but I'll be damned if that's not the better option to ignoring it. I'm not saying people need to spend their playtime going around, hunting down bots, but spending 2 mins copy/pasting a handful of names into a report when you see some is far more constructive than anything else you can do. -
11-08-2016, 05:55 AMGaldous
Sorry for double post.
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11-08-2016, 06:42 AMGaldous
Sorry for double post.
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11-08-2016, 04:10 PMUltimateAoe2Nah trust me, I still report players who blatantly bot. I'm just appalled by how they're still not banned yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwynn
While I try the best to report RMT, I rarely see any due to:
A) Mostly spending my time in the Goblet.
B) Not clicking over them fast enough.
Apologies if I made people mad.
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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
...I..
What? I know you're not directly saying that I utilize such products, but I don't.
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11-08-2016, 06:16 PMMwynnUsually you see the Players who Bot to Gather tons of Items :Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2
~ At Ephermal Nodes, collecting tons of Crystals / Clusters and Aethersands
~ At Unspoiled Nodes, they usually arrive 20 Ingame Minutes before the Node appears, they stack together in Mid-Air
~ At Normal Nodes mainly for Shards, those are the type that you may encounter in East Shroud or East Thanalan
How to find Evidence for catching one? Well, a Video might be a try, yet after Reporting tons of Gathering Bots fully detailed with Timestamps, Location, Coordinations ...
I assume People who Bot during Night and play with their "Hands" during Peaktime have the so called "Free Ticket" to turn on their Bots, which is somehow sad <_<
I'm loosing Hope actually and I can understand anyone who doesn't care about them after all.
If you grinded your Blue Scrips the normal Way for the Folklore Books ... well .. that's pretty awful, as People can be asleep and their Characters are mining full Stacks of Items...
I just pretty much know how a MMORPG can face it's own Death being overwhelmed by 100.000 RMT Bots and a whole Community Insulting Legit Players....