[ Dev Request ] PotD 'Guides'

In the original Palace of the Dead from Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together there were Palace "Guide" items that would offer you the option of skipping various floors:
( Tactics Ogre versions )
Part 1 - Can be used when you about to enter B1 battle. That will let you skip to B26.
Part 2 - Can be used when you about to enter B26 battle. That will let you skip to B50.
Part 3 - Can be used when you about to enter B51 battle. That will let you skip to B75.
All Guide books are one time use only.

FFXIV Example: Palace Guide 1st edition: For preformed parties, gives option to skip 51-75.
Palace Guide 2nd Edition: Gives option to skip floors 75-100.

The party leader would be able to use this item when speaking to the Wood Wailer npc in Quarrymill. Various restrictions / alterations aside, the key thing here would be to allow parties a slight decrease in tedium required to reach the higher floors again while retaining the basic structure for other players.

Given that players wanting to farm higher floors (100+) have to start from Floor 51 each time, why not add this as a loot drop in Silver / Gold-trimmed bags? Keep the loot table the same by removing the Palace wallpaper / flooring and substituting these instead ( if you do nothing else, do this ).

So basically you're asking for a level jump to skip content because you can't be bothered? Am I right?

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

So basically you're asking for a level jump to skip content because you can't be bothered? Am I right?

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He's basically asking to have the same skip we already have to 51 for 101 as well, yes. So very unreasonable, to not want to start at 1 every time!
Truly, something needs to be done outside of the palace. It can't be that people can just queue up for a 60s dungeon they already cleared without grinding other dungeons for at least 2 hours beforehand.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

So basically you're asking for a level jump to skip content because you can't be bothered? Am I right?

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I'm referring to an established precedent already set by the game that the current Deep Dungeon content takes its name from.

You have to reach floor 100+ or 150+ and find part of the accursed hoard for a chance to get a palace guide item.

It is a single use item.

When people fail, or perhaps even succeed, this item would function as a way to get people to go back into the deep dungeon again.
People would still have to clear 51-100 normally in DF. Premades would have a chance at not having to repeat certain early floors again on their way to the top. The way I propose things, Floors 100+ would not have dungeon guides to preserve the challenge / intended route laid by the devs.

Given that people can now solo 51-100, nothing is being lost by offering this item to pre-formed parties. This is not a major change to rewards structure or difficulty. It's an optional path for parties that have the item and are willing to forego any rewards offered by the floors they are skipping.

The new floors have been out for less than a week and you already wanting to skip floors?

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Originally Posted by Chubby13

The new floors have been out for less than a week and you already wanting to skip floors?

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It takes HOURS of ploughing through floors to get to the good stuff. And that's assuming you don't wipe. And you can't replace people either, you absolutely have to do it with the same people, so if someone has to go, too bad for you no palace of the dead past floor 100.

floors 101+ are 4 people raid content. When people are able to coordinate 8 person alex raids, it shouldnt be too hard to coordinate 4 people...

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Originally Posted by OoglieBooglie

It takes HOURS of ploughing through floors to get to the good stuff. And that's assuming you don't wipe. And you can't replace people either, you absolutely have to do it with the same people, so if someone has to go, too bad for you no palace of the dead past floor 100.

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It took me and the group I'm with just under 2 hours to go from 51-100, if you and the group you doing it with are taking too long to get to floor 100 then I highly suggest leveling up your Aetherpool Arm/Armor since once you have 99/99 you can skip alot of rooms and the silver chest since no one would need them and just stockpile all the Pomanders for floor 101+.

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Originally Posted by Chubby13

It took me and the group I'm with just under 2 hours to go from 51-100, if you and the group you doing it with are taking too long to get to floor 100 then I highly suggest leveling up your Aetherpool Arm/Armor since once you have 99/99 you can skip alot of rooms and the silver chest since no one would need them and just stockpile all the Pomanders for floor 101+.

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Like I said, it takes hours to plough through to the good stuff. 2 hours of ploughing through crap is annoying.

From say 170 onwards the trash starts hitting pretty hard and with traps going off and mobs spawning out of nowhere, the pomanders were already starting to run out. I think it would be even tougher dropping straight into floor 151 with no poms at all.

For me, the fact it took us a while to get to the hardest floors, made it more scary, and everyone being extra cautious, something I cannot say for any other content in the game. it's about time we had something like this

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Originally Posted by randysquirrel

From say 170 onwards the trash starts hitting pretty hard and with traps going off and mobs spawning out of nowhere, the pomanders were already starting to run out.

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So you're saying it would be even more of a challenge to start later? Wouldn't that be a good thing...?

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Originally Posted by Zojha

So you're saying it would be even more of a challenge to start later? Wouldn't that be a good thing...?

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Not in my opinion, no.
If you want the challenge of facing the lower floors with no pomanders, you can simply not collect any until you get there, so that challenge is already catered to. I like collecting them all, and deciding when to use them and when not to.

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Originally Posted by randysquirrel

Not in my opinion, no.
If you want the challenge of facing the lower floors with no pomanders, you can simply not collect any until you get there, so that challenge is already catered to. I like collecting them all, and deciding when to use them and when not to.

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I think (correct me if I'm wrong) Zojha's point is that skipping ahead would be a risk/reward scenario. If you skip ahead you miss out on all the pomanders between the one you started on and the one you skipped to thus making things more risky - but if you don't skip you'll have the advantage of having more pomanders when you get to the floor that can be skipped to. So it becomes about whether you want to play safe and not use the skip, or play a bit risky and use the skip to have a faster run (if things don't go awry).

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

I think (correct me if I'm wrong) Zojha's point is that skipping ahead would be a risk/reward scenario. If you skip ahead you miss out on all the pomanders between the one you started on and the one you skipped to thus making things more risky - but if you don't skip you'll have the advantage of having more pomanders when you get to the floor that can be skipped to. So it becomes about whether you want to play safe and not use the skip, or play a bit risky and use the skip to have a faster run (if things don't go awry).

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I understand what you're saying, but in my opinion it is because you know you'll get thrown back so far if you're not extra cautious on the harder floors, that makes it extra nervy. I know it takes a long time to get there, but for my group, this is what makes us take extra care. I think if we were only going to get put back to floor 150 if we die, we'd take many more risks. Plus the fact that a gold sack on floor 151 is worth the same as a gold sack on floor 199, I think you may get people that clear it once, and then just run 151-160 over and over again for any sack loot they might want. I appreciate that not everyone will agree with me, but I personally like it as it is. It is the only content where you stand to lose a lot of something (in this case progress/time), and I don't think it hurts to have one thing structured this way

I wouldn't like a skip a stage, but a free floor every now and again would be nice no mobs etc.