SE, these repair adjustments are great and imma let you finish, but...

I was really hoping for class adjustments part 2. Do we have an official time frame for this now rather than just soon/in the coming days?

Before the year is out.

1.20 is due out for early -mid dec (if not pushed back) so it will be in the next week or two, but given thanksgiving for the west is soon, it may be a day before the patch or it may be tomorrow or yoshida may sneak into the office to post it tonight.

People were just commenting that we weren't getting info on what else is in patch 1.20 itself.

You're kinda dropping the ball there dev team. Leaving us hanging for a week, while posting completely unrelated topics in the meantime. Sure, they might be filler to give you more time to prepare the list of action changes, but from where we stand it could as well mean that you are stretching it out for no apparent reason but for the sake of delaying them.

Plus, and this is quite important, we have been told that the information would be provided to us starting soon after the release of 1.19, yet so far we are closing in on December with half the information received.

While making sure that the patches come as the roadmap states AND making sure the game is getting better is most important, you shouldn't drop the ball with situations like this either if you want to build trust between the customers and the dev team.

I don't mean to be bitching for the sake of bitching, but seriously after the rather stellar work you have done in the past few months I was expecting you guys to handle this better than you have so far.

2.0's announcement may have thrown off the usual pattern for update details. Way I see it, the longer it takes to get part 2 of class adjustments, the more extensive that post will be when it's released. I'm expecting nothing short of a major revamp, but it'll come when it comes :D

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

I don't mean to be bitching for the sake of bitching, but seriously after the rather stellar work you have done in the past few months I was expecting you guys to handle this better than you have so far.

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Yes you do, at least man up to it.

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Hope the info is out today unless translation team gonna work weekends in Japan aside from YoshiP and them being there on weekends also.

I would rather have the listing sooner rather then later. But as long as we get it with enough lead time before the patch it should not be much of a problem for play styles to continue on mostly uninterrupted

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Originally Posted by Technolust

Yes you do, at least man up to it.

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Uh huh, I'm being extremely unreasonable there.

If you can't deliver these things in the timeframe you provide, don't even mention them before you can.

"When 1.19 releases" turned into November, which turned into "one more week", which turned into one more week + half the info released on the last day of the second week, now another week has almost passed by and there has been no mention of part two- that we were supposed to get ages ago.

It's a mess.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Uh huh, I'm being extremely unreasonable there.

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You are. Thanks for being honest for a change.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

"When 1.19 releases" turned into November, which turned into "one more week", which turned into one more week + half the info released on the last day of the second week, now another week has almost passed by and there has been no mention of part two- that we were supposed to get ages ago.

It's a mess.

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It's as he said. There's really no arguing with it. The fact is they made a promise and didn't keep it. It would be nice if we could at least get regular updates of their progress if they aren't able to deliver within their initial time range. Of course, once the info is released it will be mostly water under the bridge, but that doesn't mean people won't be frustrated in the meantime. We basically know the info is already finalized; SE should seriously be giving their all to get it out there as soon as possible. And even if small changes are made in the end you can just slap "adjustments are under development and subject to change" on there, and boom, no harm done.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

If you can't deliver these things in the timeframe you provide, don't even mention them before you can.

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Word .

In the meantime, we get completely unrelated topics though.

It gives us an entirely wrong message about their priorities- regardless of how the situation is on their side. This info has been so long time coming, that when we get notes about repairs and dyes instead of what we were supposed to get week + week + week + months ago, it's a slap in the face. My patience ran out when the info didn't come with the second live letter, which would have only made the info be late for a month or so.

Now I'm just providing them feedback for the future, because it's not guaranteed that they even realize how much of a drag this is starting to feel like.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

You're kinda dropping the ball there dev team. Leaving us hanging for a week, while posting completely unrelated topics in the meantime. Sure, they might be filler to give you more time to prepare the list of action changes, but from where we stand it could as well mean that you are stretching it out for no apparent reason but for the sake of delaying them.

Plus, and this is quite important, we have been told that the information would be provided to us starting soon after the release of 1.19, yet so far we are closing in on December with half the information received.

While making sure that the patches come as the roadmap states AND making sure the game is getting better is most important, you shouldn't drop the ball with situations like this either if you want to build trust between the customers and the dev team.

I don't mean to be bitching for the sake of bitching, but seriously after the rather stellar work you have done in the past few months I was expecting you guys to handle this better than you have so far.

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So much truth in this statement, I don't even really need to type anything myself. And why do people call you troll? Lol

/closethread

Yeah, the week it was "supposed" to be here, and Yoshida made a big fuss about a big post he was making and it ended up being about gathering... downer. Then they announced the localization team was working over the weekend to get the class change info posted and that it would be split into two parts... and we only got the first part... which from a volume standpoint ended up being around 1/10th of the expected info...

Just tell us already... or tell us that our feedback from part 1 in some way threw a wrench in the works and now you are making changes to accommodate... but don't... DON'T tell us the info will be out "soon." Cause that ship already sailed. Tell us why it isn't here or give it to us. Don't keep leading us on.

Pragmatically speaking something is better than nothing and having them deliver all these less interesting pieces of information before the "big reveal" works out because you can skim and digest these changes and then come the big 1.20 items you can ignore all of these less important things completely and focus in on the information you wanted.

I've been dying to see what the final conjurer/thaumaturge abilities will look like for FOREVER now. I'm starting to lose interest in checking back. Think I'll just play Skyrim for a few weeks and if I get bored of eating butterfly wings I'll check back... "IF"...

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Originally Posted by Alkoun

I've been dying to see what the final conjurer/thaumaturge abilities will look like for FOREVER now. I'm starting to lose interest in checking back. Think I'll just play Skyrim for a few weeks and if I get bored of eating butterfly wings I'll check back... "IF"...

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Skyrim does have my undevided attention right now lol

Gonna call it right now, Bay/Rukkiri is gonna pop up in this thread sometime today and announce that we'll be getting the info tomorrow. I'll be standing by with my change of pants.

I won't hold my breath, they been saying we would get this info for over a week now, well on the JP board.

It's starting to get a little annoying, kind of almost like being poked by a big stick.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

1.20 is due out for early -mid dec (if not pushed back) so it will be in the next week or two, but given thanksgiving for the west is soon, it may be a day before the patch or it may be tomorrow or yoshida may sneak into the office to post it tonight.

People were just commenting that we weren't getting info on what else is in patch 1.20 itself.

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Its out due Late November~Early December ( with exception of getting pushed back) Read the Road map =)

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Its out due Late November~Early December ( with exception of getting pushed back) Read the Road map =)

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I see the problem here. You're reading the roadmap and forming expectations based on that. Don't. Or if you prefer the academic answer. Do not.

seriously? what do you guys expect? do you seriously think they will be right on time with the plan they laid out? it took 5 years to make this game, and you think they will rebuild it right this time in a year? get over it patches will be late 2.0 will be late.

Here's an idea. Stop caring so much. They're done when they're done.

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Originally Posted by CSLionheart

I was really hoping for class adjustments part 2. Do we have an official time frame for this now rather than just soon/in the coming days?

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And here I was hoping to find out who was the best female recording artist of all time. Of all time!

How disappointing. :(

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

And here I was hoping to find out who was the best female recording artist of all time. Of all time!

How disappointing. :(

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I know its disappointing AmyRae but don't you worry one bit!! I am sure we will find out who it was soon enough!

The cat is amused =^.^=

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

In the meantime, we get completely unrelated topics though.

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Isn't the topic "news about 1.20" ?
The new dye system and repair system are part from 1.20

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Originally Posted by Felis

Isn't the topic "news about 1.20" ?
The new dye system and repair system are part from 1.20

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Right but all they care about is the second part of the class changes don't you see...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

You're kinda dropping the ball there dev team. Leaving us hanging for a week, while posting completely unrelated topics in the meantime. Sure, they might be filler to give you more time to prepare the list of action changes, but from where we stand it could as well mean that you are stretching it out for no apparent reason but for the sake of delaying them.

Plus, and this is quite important, we have been told that the information would be provided to us starting soon after the release of 1.19, yet so far we are closing in on December with half the information received.

While making sure that the patches come as the roadmap states AND making sure the game is getting better is most important, you shouldn't drop the ball with situations like this either if you want to build trust between the customers and the dev team.

I don't mean to be bitching for the sake of bitching, but seriously after the rather stellar work you have done in the past few months I was expecting you guys to handle this better than you have so far.

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This post pretty much sums up my feelings (and those of the people who I know in-game, for that matter).

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Man so much complaining about them not releasing any info how are you ever gonna muster up the strength to complain when you see changes that you don't approve of.

Honestly, I'm sorry you lot find it offensive them giving bits of info here and there, and I'm sorry that you feel the need to read into that that they're posting filler or playing for time or something.

Of course I'm looking forward to the information about the class changes, but I'd rather not be denied information on other topics in the meanwhile just so you lot can.. goodness knows I have no idea what you gain from not finding stuff out sooner.

I'm sorry, but whatever happens, I'd just like to speak up that insofar as being literal goes, not everyone wants the class change info and such before anything else. I would much rather get the small bits of easily given information as soon as they're available rather than have to wait until after the big bits just to placate the more readily frustrated.

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Man so much complaining about them not releasing any info how are you ever gonna muster up the strength to complain when you see changes that you don't approve of.

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Never underestimate the power of the internet!

both JP and NA side starting to heat up on wanting to get this info...

1. Them preparing a cool video???
2. YoshiP loves numbers so he's full on checking every stats taking time
3. One of the dev team spilled coffee on the PC that had the important data
4. They forgot to release new subligar information so that's delaying all this
5. subligar
6. 42

Just put an RSS and in the mean time play some FFXIV or some other games. News are gonna come, they've promised us they're gonna post the news before patch comes up! Geez...

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Just put an RSS and in the mean time play some FFXIV or some other games. News are gonna come, they've promised us they're gonna post the news before patch comes up! Geez...

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You checking forums tooooo, I'm feeding formula to baby while watching wife play Tales of Xilia while crafting in FFXIV!!! in subligar of course!

We're making the rep team work for nothing... we just talk shit and more shit nothing productive ; ; blah i'm upset about all of you ; ;

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

You checking forums tooooo, I'm feeding formula to baby while watching wife play Tales of Xilia while crafting in FFXIV!!! in subligar of course!

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OMG rein i want that game lol

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Originally Posted by Sanlord

We're making the rep team work for nothing... we just talk shit and more shit nothing productive ; ; blah i'm upset about all of you ; ;

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You see my frustration with these forums, especially lately where it seems to be even more vitriolic than before. People are always afraid of change, of course.

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Just put an RSS and in the mean time play some FFXIV or some other games. News are gonna come, they've promised us they're gonna post the news before patch comes up! Geez...

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Unfortunately I'm a Chromium user. So far as I can tell, much as I prefer this browser it doesn't seem to like RSS feeds so this strategy is kinda awkward for me. >.>

Aside from the nifty themes it's about my only big regret after meandering away from Firefox and Lunascape.

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Originally Posted by Fensfield

Unfortunately I'm a Chromium user. So far as I can tell, much as I prefer this browser it doesn't seem to like RSS feeds so this strategy is kinda awkward for me. >.>

Aside from the nifty themes it's about my only big regret after meandering away from Firefox and Lunascape.

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What about Pale Moon?