Not related to XIV

Just want to discuss something about what Yoshinori Kitase said.

Kitase said that action RPG's are "becoming a trend" and "one you ignore at your peril." That means there's a big chance that Final Fantasy XV will be labeled an "action RPG."

"Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy XIII-2‘s battle systems have those elements of speed and action that are the key words for us, though that doesn’t necessarily mean we’re going to stick to the same route in our next game."

I don't think gamers is moving away from turn based but instead, forced away from turn based because developers stopped making the system. SSsooo, we "moved away" because we didn't have a choice, so you ignore this forced trend "at your own peril."

end rant.

source: http://www.next-gen.biz/news/final-f...-be-action-rpg

You don't "think" gamers are moving away from turn-based RPGs but they don't care what you "think"; they care about their bottom line. If turn-based RPGs aren't moving(and hey, for the most part they aren't), they'll make something else that will...

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引用元：Charismatic

You don't "think" gamers are moving away from turn-based RPGs but they don't care what you "think"; they care about their bottom line. If turn-based RPGs aren't moving(and hey, for the most part they aren't), they'll make something else that will...

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I suppose I can say they are not moving away from anything. I'm sure a lot cares.

Lately I've been replaying older console JRPG games because I can't find newer games of that genre worth a damn these days. XII was short and too easy, gambits made everything a joke. XIII? My god, that game pissed me off. X, x, x, x, x, x, x, x... I can count on ONE hand how many times I needed to actually think out my actions in that game.

So screw it, I'll go back to playing RPGs that were actually fun. Lunar, Grandia, SO2/SO3, FF-FFIX, Chrono Trigger/Cross, so on and so forth.

Action-based doesn't mean "spamming X" by the way.

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Yeah but I think FFXIII gone a bit overboard and made it automatic as well.

I think ffxiii largest flaw was auto-battle.

After playing western RPG's i.e. Fallout, TES, KOTOR, Mass Effect, OMFG SKYRIM etc. I find turn based combat incredibly boring. I can't play JRPG's anymore. I started shying away from them when they became more about spectacle than anything else (FFVII). Once I experienced a few western RPG's with their huge open worlds, non-linearity and action combat, I never looked back. I'd like to see a JRPG that incorporates those elements.

Games will go the same way movies did.

More Action
More CGI
More Flashiness
less of you.

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引用元：Andrien

Yeah but I think FFXIII gone a bit overboard and made it automatic as well.

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What amuses me about this comment is that 13 wanted fluid battles and it did accomplish that. basically when people say that it's like they are saying "well I wouldn't have used the move that mob was weak against hell no, I wanted to use fire on that fire type monster not water." It's like the concept basically said, well in a game you pretty much perform the moves that are most efficient for the battle, so instead of having to give commands to every player you controlled one, and your moves were based on the most logical setup you as the player would end up choosing anyway.

The strategy in the game itself came from changing your batle plans through the battle whether you needed healing, someone to act as a shield or enhance your party or enfeeble the mob. In that case the game moved pretty fast and the action itself was pretty much formulated as "well these are the actions you would pick anyway so why are you complaining that's it's done automatically?" Unless you actually enjoy the aspect of doing "magic" "Fire 3" "use", "magic" "Fire 3" "use" rinse repeat til the mob is dead lol.

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引用元：Airget

What amuses me about this comment is that 13 wanted fluid battles and it did accomplish that. basically when people say that it's like they are saying "well I wouldn't have used the move that mob was weak against hell no, I wanted to use fire on that fire type monster not water." It's like the concept basically said, well in a game you pretty much perform the moves that are most efficient for the battle, so instead of having to give commands to every player you controlled one, and your moves were based on the most logical setup you as the player would end up choosing anyway.

The strategy in the game itself came from changing your batle plans through the battle whether you needed healing, someone to act as a shield or enhance your party or enfeeble the mob. In that case the game moved pretty fast and the action itself was pretty much formulated as "well these are the actions you would pick anyway so why are you complaining that's it's done automatically?" Unless you actually enjoy the aspect of doing "magic" "Fire 3" "use", "magic" "Fire 3" "use" rinse repeat til the mob is dead lol.

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The funny thing is, in your logic the game is playing itself. Yeah just hit the automatic button and watch, rinse repeat.

I'd rather games go the action route. My best and most fun game at the moment is Devil May Cry 3/4. I WANT a game where I can literally move out of the way of an attack to dodge it instead of depending on some stupid number based off of some gear I grinded x hours for for its "stats". That's why if XV goes that direction, I'll be all for it. I want twitch based online MMO action games with RPG elements and FF storyline and lore. Obviously, XIV's current system doesn't allow for this because of the position update latency (that I've emphasized on repeatedly in the stickied Tech Support thread), but if XV actually turns into an MMO I'd be more than happy for it to go that route.

I know I'm in the minority here since most FF players prefer to only play methodical turn-based games, but I think Square's starting to realize where the money is. I wouldn't want the next FF MMO to be a button masher, but something - ala DMC -that requires timing, execution, and great reflexes to be successful in. I come from an MMO instance-based action game (PSU) - FFXIV was actually somewhat of a step down for me, so if Square feels that's the direction its MMOs should go, my itchy trigger action finger will be more than welcome to the change.

They'll learn. Mass Effect one, good rpg, Mass Effect 2, streamlined piece of crap. Dragon Age I was a great story not so great combat, dragon age II ok combat, awful story. While this is only bioware, even in their interviews they say how they streamline games due to people not like the tedious rpg elements, then they over streamlined and people hated the game for not even being an rpg, now they tell us "sorry about that, next one will try to bring the great of modern rpg, but still the challenge of an old school rpg" Japan is 5 years behind the western world in gaming right now, its been in many gaming articles, and I'd say I agree, they're marketing is awful leaving them less money to even make the next game likeable. If they can get on the marketing band wagon, they could sell awful games, people buy the worst games due to a good commerical (MW3 didn't even show any gameplay footage and it broke a sales record, that gaming series has been unchanged since MW and stagnant, people still buy em up , they rely on new people to buy the game as they lose older players due to stagnation) . Marketing Marketing Marketing! Sell games even if crappy, money from crappy game pays for better niche game that doesn't sell as much but does well if you count sales overtime. Keep gamers happy!

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引用元：Fiosha_Maureiba

I think ffxiii largest flaw was auto-battle.

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Without auto-battle some of those fights would have been incredibly difficult, if not impossible.

Did you 5 star all missions? Did you manage to kill the Adamantoise+3?

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