Camphor - Sort it out already...

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10-22-2016, 09:40 PM
RosalindDex

Camphor - Sort it out already...

Can we have a change to camphor, either to allow triple yield on synthesis or for Eikon / Hemicyon Leather to only require 1 per synth. The amount of work required to make the key mats for Leatherworker are grossly disproportionate to all the other classes.
Coupled with the noted nightmare of gathering it, the time required to craft even NQ the requisite amount of camphor for any leatherworker product is annoying, and none of the other 4* mats have this requirement.
10-25-2016, 09:27 AM
Bloody

How is getting Camphor hard? Stealthing and short flying between nodes is not slower or harder than any other set of nodes I've gathered.
10-25-2016, 11:29 AM
Eul

I really hate any synthesis with camphor included.
10-25-2016, 03:18 PM
Nezerius

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Originally Posted by Bloody

How is getting Camphor hard? Stealthing and short flying between nodes is not slower or harder than any other set of nodes I've gathered.

You're missing the point. OP isn't saying that it's hard to get Camphor, but that it's tedious to farm the branches and turn them into Camphor. The average recipe that needs Eikon Leather will need 30 branches and 6 2-star crafts.
Other crafts don't have this, so I don't see the issue in lowering the amount of Camphor needed for a piece of Eikon Leather down to 1. If that's out of the question, at least allow crafters to quicksynth Camphor.
10-25-2016, 03:43 PM
Galborion

Yeah, camphor is pain. And when I look at LTW recipes and the amount of materials needed I have to think that someone in SE hates this job. It is way out of line compared to other jobs.
10-26-2016, 03:34 AM
aesteval

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Originally Posted by Galborion

Yeah, camphor is pain. And when I look at LTW recipes and the amount of materials needed I have to think that someone in SE hates this job. It is way out of line compared to other jobs.

Actually, I think someone may hate carpenter more. Most of the new mats require 1 lv 50 item to make, wood requires 9x Borax. Borax, which can't be acquired HQ. I know the old mats are weighted less when it comes to how far the initial quality boost comes from HQ source mats, but 9x Borax still adds up.

LTH may be hated second.
10-26-2016, 05:36 AM
Ziggyzapps

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Originally Posted by aesteval

LTH may be hated second.

I really don't think so, camphor is so much worse. The borax from carpenter isn't being used in the final craft, so whether or not the resulting product is hq does not matter much. Even if the final product comes out NQ it doesn't matter much cause the mats are all very easy to get. Leather worker recipes all require 2x or 3x more dissolvent and leathers, cloths, lumber, or ingot as well as the evil camphor so if one comes out NQ its a bit more painful.

Even though I dropped leather spec cause of how horrible camphor is I don't think it should be changed. It gives scrub crafters a way to make a bit of money by making camphor for better crafters, it keeps the leather market healthy, and even bad crafters can hq leather stuff fairly easily if they take the time to hq the camphor.
10-26-2016, 08:10 AM
Delphor

You can buy Camphorwood Branches at NQ quality from the Moogle beast tribe vendor if you've maxed out the reputation. I don't know if that's much help, but I know for a fact you can.
10-26-2016, 10:46 AM
Eul

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Originally Posted by aesteval

Actually, I think someone may hate carpenter more. Most of the new mats require 1 lv 50 item to make, wood requires 9x Borax. Borax, which can't be acquired HQ. I know the old mats are weighted less when it comes to how far the initial quality boost comes from HQ source mats, but 9x Borax still adds up.

LTH may be hated second.

That will be same with GSM then since you need to make platinum ingot with 9x raziqsap. But compared with those, LTW still the most annoying one because of the camphor ingredient.
10-26-2016, 10:37 PM
aesteval

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Originally Posted by Eul

That will be same with GSM then since you need to make platinum ingot with 9x raziqsap. But compared with those, LTW still the most annoying one because of the camphor ingredient.

Noooo, Platinum Ingot is a lv 50 recipe. Lv 60 wood recipes use Borax. Platinum Ingots are a joke to HQ from NQ mats vs Teak and NQ Borax because of the recipe level difference.
10-26-2016, 10:38 PM
aesteval

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Originally Posted by Delphor

You can buy Camphorwood Branches at NQ quality from the Moogle beast tribe vendor if you've maxed out the reputation. I don't know if that's much help, but I know for a fact you can.

And at prices so high I've seen cheaper prices on the marketboard. XD
10-26-2016, 10:49 PM
aesteval

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Originally Posted by Ziggyzapps

I really don't think so, camphor is so much worse. The borax from carpenter isn't being used in the final craft, so whether or not the resulting product is hq does not matter much.

How is Camphor going directly into the final product and how is it different from Borax?

Camphor is a component of intermediary leathers and the leathers are what go into the final product.

Borax is a component of intermediary lumber and the lumber are what go into the final product.

A 60**** recipe with all HQ mats starts at around 6,500 quality.

A 60**** recipe with 1 GC seal lv 50 mat starts with around 6,000 quality.

A 60**** recipe with 9 Borax starts with around 3,000 - 3,500 quality (I don't remember the exact number.) The one saving grace to Borax is at least NQ Teak is good for Tier 4 Aquariums.
10-26-2016, 11:03 PM
MikeWW

Borax and Razisap both cost about ten times less grand company seals than other grand company seal items used for high level crafting, so it balances it out.

Camphor crafting sucks a lot. I have sometimes avoided crafting much leatherworker stuff because of how much time it takes to craft camphor.
10-26-2016, 11:50 PM
MikeWW

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Originally Posted by aesteval

How is Camphor going directly into the final product and how is it different from Borax?

Camphor is a component of intermediary leathers and the leathers are what go into the final product.

Borax is a component of intermediary lumber and the lumber are what go into the final product.

Camphor is an ingredient of an ingredient that must be manually crafted from a crapload of branches and you need 3x camphor per eikon leather. On Cactuar that's 70k gil for the camphor.

Borax is an ingredient of an ingredient that only costs 250 grand company seals and you need 2x borax per treated camphorwood lumber. On Cactuar that's less than 10k gil for the borax.

What is up with all the defending of final fantasy at the expense of common sense on the forum? It's about what I imagine defending big brother thought processes would be like in 1984.
10-26-2016, 11:57 PM
aesteval

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Originally Posted by MikeWW

Borax is an ingredient of an ingredient that only costs 250 grand company seals and you need 2x borax per treated camphorwood lumber. On Cactuar that's less than 10k gil for the borax.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...e/b7a4175b04e/
10-27-2016, 08:24 AM
Ziggyzapps

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Originally Posted by aesteval

How is Camphor going directly into the final product and how is it different from Borax?

Neither go into the final product, so it doesn't matter if either are hq. The leather and lumber can be fairly easily made by good crafters just using the hq lore mats, but for the leathers you still have to take the time to craft 3 nq camphor per leather, which is 6-9 camphor per recipe. It may not seem so bad, but if you are crafting for sale on the market and want to make 5 or 6 leather pieces to sell, thats 30-45 camphor you need to craft.

Again, I don't disagree with how SE did this, because it makes a market for camphor, bad crafters can hq camphor if they need to, and it keeps leather prices high. Still, I am no longer a leather worker because of the camphor situation lol.
10-27-2016, 11:15 AM
Bloody

Crafting Camphor takes all of two minutes if you don't care about quality. SH2+ING2+RS/SS til done. Camphor is balanced just fine against other crafts because you invest the time for HQ to ease your component or you spam it fast and craft normally. Factor in the flexibility as a benefit and maybe you'll see why some crafts are the way they are.