I've been playing MMO for 7+ years but ff xiv is the only game where levelling is extremely long and boring especially for dps classes who needs to wait 30+ minutes before entering a dungeon. With the new expansion coming in next summer this is not encouraging new players to play the game if, just for a single class, they have to wait about 1 month (or even more) for 1-70.
Gaining exp even if dng is unsynched
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10-21-2016, 08:37 PMNerdGaining exp even if dng is unsynched
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10-21-2016, 08:40 PMLunarEmerald
You run Palace of the Dead as a dps.
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10-21-2016, 08:49 PMloreleidiangeloI really like that people are all for making the MSQ continue to be mandatory then say stuff like, "don't actually run the MSQ dungeons to level, level with some side content instead".Quote:
Originally Posted by LunarEmerald
I feel like something at this point has got to give. As we get more and more expansions added, there's going to be more and more "mandatory" content that the devs have to constantly figure out how to remain relevant, so that new players aren't stuck at 15 waiting for a queue that never pops. Whether it's a release of the mandatory MSQ restrictions for expansion content, or functioning NPCs that you can bring into dungeons with you like SWTOR...new player growth will stagnate pretty seriously once the game reaches a certain point where a new player starts as a DPS and has to wait forever to continue their questing.
It might not be a problem now, but as we layer on more and more expacs it really will start to be one. -
10-21-2016, 08:54 PMCritical-Limit
One month is extremely easy from my POV. I joined 1 month after heavensward came out. I never really felt behind.
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10-21-2016, 08:54 PMTintnew players have to play through the whole mainscenario anyway before they can enter the lvl 70 content, wich will boost them to max lvl because of all the quest exp (that this will take forever and not encouraging new players is another story).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
for secondary classes there is already a big exp boost in place, wich will maybe increase even further with 4.0. plus there is the exp boost ring from hall of the novice for 1-30 and the headpiece from the friend recruit camapgne. -
10-21-2016, 09:14 PMAtoliThat's because people realize there is a difference between "run dungeon X once to continue the story" and "run this dungeon 20 times to level up" :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo
Personally, I like leveling in dungeons, so I don't mind the DPS queue times. But it's not like anyone can get stuck that way - since there are a myriad of other ways to level up:
from the massive exp gain from the MSQ quests to PotD to FATEs to hundreds upon hundreds of sidequests, beasttribes, the weekly agenda and so on.
Continuing the MSQ does not mean one must only solely level through the MSQ, and it was never meant to be that way in the first place, even at ARR release, so I don't see where your complaint is coming from. -
10-21-2016, 09:20 PMLambdafishI really like that people push their agendas into other threads. This is not relevant to the OPs suggestion, and has nothing to do with farming dungeons for levelling. The reason that MSQ dungeons exist is to enhance the story and to break up the cutscenes. If the entire story was given to us through cutscenes it would be an extremely bland way to play the game, by having MSQ dungeons, we actually get to interact with the story and be a part of the adventure.Quote:
Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo
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10-21-2016, 09:21 PMUrthdigger
Do your levequests, and hunting log while waiting on queue. Do FATEs. Run each guildhest once for each role for the bonus xp. Aim to finish challenge log objectives while on a job you're leveling. If you're dealing with the upper levels, make use of beastmen daily quests and the daily/weekly HW hunts. There is a LOT you can do to level up if dps queues are too long for you. And leveling SHOULD take a while, use that time to PRACTICE.
Also, 7+ years and this is the only one you've seen that takes a while to level? What, only played WoW and Guild Wars? Try older MMOs like FFXI or Everquest, or even most MUDS out there, then try telling me FFXIV's leveling is slow :P -
10-21-2016, 09:26 PMTiaHariberux3
Pls the leveling is so fast in this game you can easily do 1-60 alt in less than a week the exp buff for lv 50-60 is so huge that u need for some levels only 3runs instead of +10. Potd is a good way too so dunno why u complain
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10-21-2016, 09:45 PMLokierLevequests? Who does those outside of 1-50 crafting if you're yet to unlock Ixali? The main class exp they give is terrible, you're much better just farming FATES, and even those are a slog.. For me anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by Urthdigger
POTD is my BFF at this point for levelling classes I hate quickly, like tanking ones or any healer but WHM classes. -
10-21-2016, 10:06 PMloreleidiangeloMy point is more that if the dungeon queues are super long in general, it'll mean people get roadblocked by them while actually trying to continue the story is all. I'm not really against having story-relevant dungeons, but I am against having the quests for them be mandatory to continue the MSQ line, because it just means people are stuck without a way to advance before that queue pops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambdafish
You're right though, I suppose the OP is talking more about farming dungeons for exp, which while common in other games isn't really as accepted here. -
10-21-2016, 10:27 PMLineageRazor
It always boggles my mind when folks complain about how long it takes to level a job in this game... I was able to level ALL of them in about the same amount of time it took to level two jobs in FFXI!
Curmudgeony discourse about "kids these days" aside, bear in mind that you're under no obligation to sit and stare at the clock while waiting for a dungeon queue. There are other things to do while waiting to enter a dungeon - and Main Scenario Quests, sidequests, and FATEs all have the benefit of granting ADDITIONAL exp while waiting for that sweet, sweet dungeon exp.
And, as was mentioned, Palace of the Dead generally has quick queues even for DPS.
No, this game does quite well in providing a variety of ways to gain experience points, and in allowing a player to level a job in a timely manner. Nothing needs to be changed. -
10-21-2016, 10:54 PMHyoMinPark
It kind of boggles my mind that people think leveling in this game takes too long.
DPS queues aside, an FC mate was doing an experiment on an alt where he was doing MSQ + Hunting Log + Sidequests while leveling. When he hit level 30, he was right at the point where he needed to do Toto Rak. I also did a similar experiment where I focused solely on MSQ, ignoring Sidequests, FATEs, hunting log, and even Guildhests. My alt is level 26, and just completed Toto Rak. Never got level locked once for MSQ.
So there really is nothing in this game to suggest it takes too long to level jobs. Alt jobs still get huge boosts of exp from all the things mentioned above. And PotD, of course.
My main has several level 60s, and has been at end game for a while now. When I leveled DRK, between doing just dungeons (PotD wasn't out at the time), it only took me a couple of weeks to do 30-60. More recently, I decided to level my 26 rogue to 30 for ninja. Did floor 1-30 in PotD, got to 28. Ran Haukke Manor twice (not even full runs) and got to 30. Took...2-3 hours if even that. Leveling is super fast in this game, in my opinion. It's some times frustrating since I go through the trouble of getting gear for alt classes, and then it becomes useless so quickly. :p -
10-21-2016, 11:12 PMvanitaslaughing
Just finished getting my second alt to level 50, since I kinda lost my motivation with the other in early HW and then the new tomes dropped and I found a new static and all, but it's really not that hard. The only times you run into level locks in ARR if you're a DPS is the 40-50 region, but that has always been the case. Like HyoMinPark I was level 26 for Toto-Rak, levelled up in there, did POTD when I hit level locks and somehow magically slogged my way to 50 before 4am yester... today.
It took me, let's see. Playtime's at 4 1/2 days. That alt was something else beforehand where I loafed around, so let's take about 6 hours off the playtime for loafing and doing nothing but standing around in swimwear.
4 days from 1-50. 2-4 days for ARR, and no level locks (maybe more if youre a slow reader). I did it on my other alt which I dropped in Heavensward, but I entered HW on level 52, and I notoriously did not do any roulettes due to main character burnout. That alone carries one nearly into Ravana, and the MSQ exp got me to nearly level 54. I had to yet set a foot in the Dravanian Forelands on said alt - and barely did any sidequests because of main character burnout (I caught up on all quests I didn't do before I made an alt. Don't ask).
Armoury bonus makes levelling a class up to grab a job ridiculously easy, and that stacks with the Brand-new Ring, the Friendship Circlet and food bonus.
Can't say much for HW yet other than "Hey, the dungeons don't give as abysmally little exp as they did on launch!," which already made levelling other jobs up to 60 easy, but that was with armoury bonus. Still, its a large chunk of exp nowadays compared to the light drizzle it was in early access/launch. The level 50 dungeons can be utterly curbstomped and ARE utterly curbstomped AND give exp if you don't go unsynched, which makes levelling even easier.
I'unno, it's plenty easy to level, and that's coming from a notorious sidequest-skipper who used to be always way behind level-wise because of that. -
10-21-2016, 11:23 PMDerio
Just wait until Sam dps comes out. That 15 minutes is going to turn into an hour
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10-21-2016, 11:30 PMMasekase_Hurricane
Due to all the filler rubbish and pointless fetch quests that were added to give 50 gear etc (which most players have outgrown time they get it) It has put people off the story causing them to skip cutscenes or QUIT THE GAME.
SE needs to re-look at the MSQ up to Before the Dawn and separate a chunk of mandatory side quests and make them optional from the MSQ. Otherwise it is pointless adding stuff beyond 60 if they continue scaring new players off. -
10-22-2016, 12:38 AMThunda_Cat_SMASHI WILL ONE DAY GET THAT HONEST GILLIONAIRE title. EVEN IF I MUST DO LEVES AS A COMBAT CLASS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lokier
Wup, got a bit too fired up. -
10-22-2016, 12:44 AMLokier234,880/10,000,000 for that achievement, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH
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10-22-2016, 08:35 PMX-ill47Actially, levequest, PotD and FATEs are all on par in terms of exp/hour. Levequests are a bit higher than FATEs (of course you should ignore escort ones) and FATEs are a bit (not tiny, but a bit) higher than PotD. You can confirm this if you just try farming each of them for 2 hours on different classes of the same level. Someone on reddit already did the math, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lokier