For those who don't know, the help text for the Wind-Up Moenbryda is as follows:
First time I read that, I cringed with borderline disgust. I found it really out-of-character for Urianger and SEVERELY demeaning for Moen. And at FanFest Bayohne was kind enough to spill the beans that what Koji-Fox came up with was NOT what the original JP text read. Normally I'm fine with harmless liberties taken with localization but this is just gross, creepy, and borderline sexist. (And I'm definitely not the only one who feels this way, I'm just the first one taking it to the forums. As far as I know.) So would the devs consider changing it to something more accurate to the original text, or at least to something more respectful to Moenbryda's character?Quote:
This anatomically accurate representation of Moenbryda was secretly crafted by none other than Urianger immediately following the untimely passing of his beloved companion. What he did with it before it passed to your hands is a tale best left untold.
EDIT: An easy way to make this whole scenario significantly less creepy would be to just take out the words "anatomically accurate." Those are the words that are really implying that anything gross had happened.
More accurate help text for Wind-Up Moenbryda?
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10-18-2016, 11:39 AMRahelaMore accurate help text for Wind-Up Moenbryda?
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10-18-2016, 11:57 AMCanadane
Him crying next to it while cuddling it in bed like a teddy bear may indeed be left untold.
But I don't know where you get your accusations from! -
10-18-2016, 12:00 PMMyrhn
So you have a dirty mind and you are complaning about it?
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10-18-2016, 12:01 PMRahela
I mean, crying over it and sleeping with it like it's a teddy bear is the Best Case Scenario. But the inclusion of the words "anatomically accurate" don't leave a whole lot of room for re-interpretation.
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10-18-2016, 12:11 PMSissymandias
I'm kind of in agreement. Regardless of how arguably sexist it is, I still found it really difficult not to assume something creepy based on that text.
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10-18-2016, 12:12 PMCanadane
And even if he did.... sometimes grown men do things best left unsaid.
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10-18-2016, 01:03 PMParias
Projecting what you think a tooltip means as an offensive and in-need-of-removal slight to everyone's good taste is genuinely sad.
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10-18-2016, 01:08 PMEmpyrean
This is a T rated game, that means some dirty things wind up in it. FFVI you found Cyan's X-rated magazines he had while living in a cave. VII had a thinly disguised brothel. Are you also upset about the FATE where you escort a prostitute to her client in Costa del Sol? Or how about the mamool ja and his bathing dance? Ultros can be succintly described with the phrase "Naughty Tentacles" are you upset about that? How about the two prostitutes in the Golden Bazaar that gave a nearby guy "the crotchrot." Let's stick with minions, shall we? Is it offensive that Dress-up Thancred's talks about his nude escapades, since his mentions that it has "fewer nutkins." It's not even the only "Anatomically Correct" minion. The Wind-up Succubus is too. What about the Gaelikitten, whose description states "Rumors that the gods kill one of these adorable creatures every time a young man thinks pleasurable thoughts are unfounded" You know THAT old meme, right? That one offensive?
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10-18-2016, 01:09 PMQuorNo. No. That's just you. You're taking your own personal stuff and projecting it onto an object in a game. And it's not even a real object; it's a virtual object. You are literally projecting your own feelings and biases onto computer code.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rahela
It is in no way demeaning to Moenbryda (but only typing the first four letters of her name certainly is) and frankly, I'm fine with the text as it stands. So if any SE devs see these; please ignore OP and the useless whining therein, and continue to do your thing and be awesome.
This guy gets it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parias
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10-18-2016, 01:33 PMMemoriM
Please remain on topic.
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10-18-2016, 01:38 PMTeiren
I think it's a slightly weird joke, but it is a little funny, and a joke's a joke, so it's fine. What I don't understand here is what makes it demeaning to Moenbryda. No matter which way you're thinking about it, doesn't this joke demean Urianger?
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10-18-2016, 01:41 PMDivebombs
I'm going to agree that most of what you think that line 'implies' is of your own imagining. It may have been a deliberate double-entente joke, it may not, and even if it were, I fail to see how that would be "sexist".
You also seem to assert that this was a liberty made in localization. Do you have any proof of that? For all we know such a line could be a direct or mostly direct translation. -
10-19-2016, 11:41 AMRamza_Wyvernjack
What is this even...
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10-19-2016, 08:50 PMGeekswordsman
I'm agreeing with the OP. There is quite a difference here between the original Japanese text and the liberties taken with the localization.
The localization makes it seem like Urianger, in his grief, made a sex doll 1/8th Moenbryda's size, let the screen go dark for some amount of time, then realized how creepy it was and pawned the thing off in an attempt to deal with reality.
As opposed to the original text in which he created a lifelike representation that he could hug and cry with to help him cope with losing someone he loved.
The closest similarity is Cyan in FF6, but even then it doesn't compare. Cyan lost his wife, his kid, his entire kingdom and then still wound up thinking all of his friends died and the worse that he did was have a couple naughty magazines.
So yeah, count me in with changing the text. The difference really changes the context of Urianger's character. -
10-19-2016, 09:09 PMAtoliHOW is this demeaning towards Moenbryda?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rahela
I don't get your reasoning at all. It's "moenbryda this, moenbryda that" but the only one actually affected by this text is your perception of Urianger's character.
Even if Urianger had or hadn't an unhealthy obsession with his companion beyond her death, it has absolutely no influence on Moen's awesome sacrifice for us, the fun conversations the player had with her, her ability to defeat even Thancred in drinking, and so on.
If anything is sexist, it's how somehow Moenbryda became the victim when really, the one affected by this translation change is Urianger.
Sorry, but that seriously bothered me in your reasoning.
As for the actual request:
I agree that the text is absolutely meant to be disturbing and not a "aw, he cuddled and cried with the puppet" kind of scenario.
I find the liberty taken in this translation to actually be fairly fitting to my perception of Urianger though, so I don't mind. -
10-19-2016, 10:35 PMRamza_WyvernjackActually, it seems like a few people have a gutter mind that thinks worst, gets triggered, and then preaches social justice for fluff they took wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geekswordsman
Not one of my friends will assume "he lewds the doll" before "he probably cried or talked with it.", going that twisted place is on you. -
10-20-2016, 08:47 PMCatwho
Well, Urianger even said after her death that he wasn't going to go to the memorial ceremony because he wanted to "grieve in his own way." (Go back and watch the cutscene. Those are his words.)
I personally thought he might have been making a deal with Ascians to try to bring her back from the dead as a succubus. So, a wind up doll is kind of tame compared to that. -
10-20-2016, 08:51 PMZhaneXAnd then you remember the Gridanian Goldsmith who tried to summon a Succubus, and in the end wound up making a bunch of Voidal Minions...Quote:
Originally Posted by Catwho