Ul'dah should have an aethernet shard by the market.

As titled. I was thinking about the cities. Which one is the best, and why is it Limsa Lominsa? I realise it's because it's the only city where the marketboard and retainer bell are in very close proximity to the aetheryte.

In Gridania, there is an aethernet shard nearby, but in another zone. In Foundation, same deal.

Then for Ul'dah, not only is there no aethernet shard in its direct vicinity (each one necessitates about 5 seconds walk), it's also in another zone. The closest you get is the Adventurer's Guild or one of the crafting guilds, but in both instances it's a different zone AND you have to walk more. (A few seconds every time adds up.)

Ul'dah, being the city controlled by money, should logically have an aethernet shard by its markets. And outside of lore, it should have one for ease of access to put it on par with the other cities.

#MakeUldahGreat2016

But on the other side Ul'dah and Gridania have GC headquarters near aetheryte which is very useful for squadron management and daily turn-ins, while Limsa has it in another zone.

How about some aetheryte in Hinterlands, the most inconvenient zone to get into? It actually already there in center, just inactive.

This is very Square Enix. They design things like this. They seem to hate mirror patterns that seem almost common place in other games. You see this approach in their design in other games I think as well. Its just kinda funny. As SuperZay said though, I think the GC headquarters is the trade off, and was by design.

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Originally Posted by Krazymagic

This is very Square Enix. They design things like this. They seem to hate mirror patterns that seem almost common place in other games. You see this approach in their design in other games I think as well. Its just kinda funny. As SuperZay said though, I think the GC headquarters is the trade off, and was by design.

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Fair point, but Gridania still has the most superior access in that case? I think making everything convenient shouldn't somehow violate good design, though. A case can be made against the homogenisation of the cities, but I think each of the four cities has a very different character already.

Considering engagement with retainer bell and marketboard is likely higher than the engagement with the Grand Company, though (until very recently), I don't think it makes sense to "make a tradeoff" of accessibility.

Well I know myself, and most people I know in game we rarely use the markets in the major cities. We use the MB that sits right next our Large FC house. Its faster than all 3 cities.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

But on the other side Ul'dah and Gridania have GC headquarters near aetheryte which is very useful for squadron management and daily turn-ins, while Limsa has it in another zone.

How about some aetheryte in Hinterlands, the most inconvenient zone to get into? It actually already there in center, just inactive.

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You're looking for the Aftcastle aetheryte in Limsa. Takes you right to their doorstep.

And people have been asking for a Hinterlands aetheryte for forever now. SE said it was supposed to be Idyllshire, but it's still pretty annoying and inconvenient.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

You're looking for the Aftcastle aetheryte in Limsa. Takes you right to their doorstep.

And people have been asking for a Hinterlands aetheryte for forever now. SE said it was supposed to be Idyllshire, but it's still pretty annoying and inconvenient.

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Originally Idyllshire was not a zone but just a sub-section of the Hinterlands. Upon seeing Revenant's Toll impact on the game as a major hub they decided it'd be less stressful to separate it. To me it reflect how rushed 2.0 was - Having to separate the game into zones (which don't even try to connect to each other...which is even worse....) and to not be able to accommodate an endgame hub.

Protip...........click on the giant aetherite, select aethernet, click on adventurers quild. Boom 2 second walk to the ul'dah markets,

Same goes for foundation, "jeweled crozier " for market boards and even in idylshire, just select what gate you wanna go to.

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Originally Posted by No2631

As titled. I was thinking about the cities. Which one is the best, and why is it Limsa Lominsa? I realise it's because it's the only city where the marketboard and retainer bell are in very close proximity to the aetheryte.

In Gridania, there is an aethernet shard nearby, but in another zone. In Foundation, same deal.

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Marketboard and Retainer Bell in Gridania are both really close to the Leatherworkers Guild aetheryte. I like Gridania the best because the Mog Mail is literally right next to an aetheryte.

The Aft-Castle aetheryte in LL is too far from the Mail Moogle.

Ul'dah is definitely the worse though in terms of layout for these 3 key features. It's free to the Gold Saucer though that's one thing it has going for it.

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

Protip...........click on the giant aetherite, select aethernet, click on adventurers quild. Boom 2 second walk to the ul'dah markets,

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that's not a protip, the complaint is you have to zone between that aethernet and the market. a better layout would be to move that Adventurer's Guild aetheryte to the side door on Ruby Road Exchange where it's halfway between the AG and the Mail Moogle and add another one on the other side of the zone line in Steps of Thal.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

that's not a protip, the complaint is you have to zone between that aethernet and the market. a better layout would be to move that Adventurer's Guild aetheryte to the side door on Ruby Road Exchange where it's halfway between the AG and the Mail Moogle and add another one on the other side of the zone line in Steps of Thal.

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Now we're complaining about the extra 2 seconds it takes to zone to an area?(reread the op) Yeah shame on SE for making cities so big, without first consulting players as to where we want things placed.

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

Now we're complaining about the extra 2 seconds it takes to zone to an area?(reread the op) Yeah shame on SE for making cities so big, without first consulting players as to where we want things placed.

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Yes, we are complaining about the extra 2 seconds, it's also not 2 seconds for every connection. When I was travelling on hotel wi-fi some zones are substantially longer than 2 seconds.

I did read the OP, it's right here.

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Originally Posted by No2631

Then for Ul'dah, not only is there no aethernet shard in its direct vicinity (each one necessitates about 5 seconds walk), it's also in another zone. The closest you get is the Adventurer's Guild or one of the crafting guilds, but in both instances it's a different zone AND you have to walk more. (A few seconds every time adds up.)

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Can't be fixed console limitations.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

I did read the OP, it's right here.

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I meant I reread the post, sorry.

If you don't like the time it takes to zone somewhere? Only use the limsa boards and become a member of the flames. Only have to worry about the zoning delay going into the city. Tbh if this is such a big complaint for someone, I'd say there a bigger things going on.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

that's not a protip, the complaint is you have to zone between that aethernet and the market. a better layout would be to move that Adventurer's Guild aetheryte to the side door on Ruby Road Exchange where it's halfway between the AG and the Mail Moogle and add another one on the other side of the zone line in Steps of Thal.

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Weavers guild is about 5 seconds from the market - no zoning.

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

If you don't like the time it takes to zone somewhere? Only use the limsa boards and become a member of the flames. Only have to worry about the zoning delay going into the city. Tbh if this is such a big complaint for someone, I'd say there a bigger things going on.

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travelling from 2 cities is also inconvenient and costs gil. everyone should be going to their apartments if gil is no concern at all.

i don't think anyone is implying this is a huge problem. they saw an issue and decided to post it. the devs are capable of making many small QoL changes, nothing wrong with bringing some to their attention no matter how big or small. just this patch we got
- cooldown timer reset (huge)
- reduce glamour prism clutter (totally unexpected)
- countdown (good but not huge, macros did the same thing)

it's not like because we got the first one, they never should've worked on the other two.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Weavers guild is about 5 seconds from the market - no zoning.

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is there a retainer bell by that board? that always seemed substantially farther than Hawker's Alley, Leatherworkers Guild and Jewel Crozier in terms of distance to the Retainer and Board. adding distance to save the zoning is really not a huge benefit.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

is there a retainer bell by that board? that always seemed substantially farther than Hawker's Alley, Leatherworkers Guild and Jewel Crozier in terms of distance to the Retainer and Board. adding distance to save the zoning is really not a huge benefit.

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Yes, and two market boards a melding NPC and Company Chest. Anytime I need to go to the vendors in Uldah I hit the weaver guild and run for 5 seconds. The jeweled Crozier and Hawker's are closer for sure, but it's literally a matter of seconds from the weaver guild aetheryte shard to the market board & retainer bell, and a ton better than zoning to the Adventurers guild and then running for a few seconds and zoning again.

Leveling my gold smith these days, I totally agree with you.

I always did find it very strange that Ul'dah, the city-state obsessed with wealth, has the hardest to reach markets. Then again as others have pointed out it has the most conveniently placed GC headquarters and that was certainly done deliberately by SE. Still if I were to redesign the cities it would be:

Ul'dah - Easiest to reach markets. Hardest to reach GC HQ.
Gridania - Easiest to reach GC HQ. Hardest to reach markets.
Limsa - Balance of both (like current Gridania)

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Weavers guild is about 5 seconds from the market - no zoning.

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But then you have to run through Pearl Lane which is full of all the homeless people that smell like week old gym shorts <.<;

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

But on the other side Ul'dah and Gridania have GC headquarters near aetheryte which is very useful for squadron management and daily turn-ins, while Limsa has it in another zone.

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The request wasn't asking for Ul'dah's main aetherite to be moved next to the market, just for an aethernet shard to be placed there, so the better comparison would be how far is it to the nearest shard. Limsa's Aftcastle shard is right next to the GC headquarters. (Gridania is actually the furthest for that.)

All three have an aethernet shard near the GC HQ. Of those, for Ul'dah and Gridania it's the main aetherite.

Two of the three (Limsa and Gridania) have aethernet shards near the market area. In Limsa's case, one of them is the main aetherite. But Ul'dah doesn't have one at all, which is a bigger issue than whether it's the main one or a shard.

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Originally Posted by Eifahlwyn

I always did find it very strange that Ul'dah, the city-state obsessed with wealth, has the hardest to reach markets.

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I think about this every time I have to go to the markets un Ul'dah. They kind of made their wealth a BIG DEAL. Really, I feel there should be a board right outside the Adventurers' guild since the Ruby Road is kind of a market too.

Omg yes. Ul'dah is so dead except for the occasional newbie and/or Gilseller because it is so inconvenient to use x_X

I am convinced though that this is on purpose. The devs said more than once back in 1.x that they didn't like how everyone flocked to Ul'dah and left the other cities empty.
Now Ul'dah is so inconvenient, nobody goes there anymore..xD Goal accomplished >.>

(not that I mind, being a regular Limsa dweller..but it just seems excessive)

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Originally Posted by Atoli

Omg yes. Ul'dah is so dead except for the occasional newbie and/or Gilseller because it is so inconvenient to use x_X

I am convinced though that this is on purpose. The devs said more than once back in 1.x that they didn't like how everyone flocked to Ul'dah and left the other cities empty.
Now Ul'dah is so inconvenient, nobody goes there anymore..xD Goal accomplished >.>

(not that I mind, being a regular Limsa dweller..but it just seems excessive)

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I like Ul'dah's thematics most out of the three starting cities, but also avoid using Ul'dah as my "main base" city to hang around in because of inconvenience with market accessibility.

Someone pointed out it's "just a few seconds", and that's absolutely true. This isn't a huge earth-shattering problem that needs immediate resolution; it's a simple request for a QoL change to Ul'dah's aethernet to better accommodate players who actually like hanging around in Ul'dah.

Even if you argue that the developers have better things to allocate resources to, it's not like this thread is a demand to do it asap. I'm fine with it happening "at some point" when they have some free time to allocate to it. I'd like to bring it to the attention, though, because spending five seconds every time I visit the marketboard adds up when done continuously. Housing puts marketboards at a premium (you pay more the closer your house is to it), so it isn't like the developers are somehow unaware of the value of a marketboard.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

Omg yes. Ul'dah is so dead except for the occasional newbie and/or Gilseller

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LOL if you could only see Ul'dah on my server. Was lagging to get to the squadron room until i got inside it and the lag stopped due to it being an instanced area.

The Ul'dah market board is only a brief walk away from the Quicksand teleport. I know the place has a bad reputation, but you're not gonna get shanked just being by it for a moment.

I have uldah as one of my free teleports and I can't say I've ever felt inconvenienced by zoning, which takes 2 seconds to load. Same with the jeweled crozier and the leatherworker guild.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Weavers guild is about 5 seconds from the market - no zoning.

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i tested this yesterday, only 3-4 seconds left on Sprint, so it takes over 15 seconds.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

i tested this yesterday, only 3-4 seconds left on Sprint, so it takes over 15 seconds.

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Really? It never feels that long when I'm playing. I had never timed it, but since it was a straight run, I guesstimated 5 seconds. Ah well, you live and learn. Still I think it's the fastest way from the main Aetheryte.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Still I think it's the fastest way from the main Aetheryte.

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AG is like 10 seconds but that increases if zoning takes longer than usual.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

AG is like 10 seconds but that increases if zoning takes longer than usual.

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With PS4 and no SSD, it takes too long. But, when I do upgrade to an SSD, I anticipate some nice change. In the meantime at least I can remember where the weavers are if I need some cheap hemp...